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What about rebellion against bad governments? Let’s say a president or government is ruling in a terrible way which makes the governed to revolt, is that also a sin? Is it a sin to revolt against government when clearly they are not ruling right? Because according to the scripture you used, rebellion against a government is a sinThat one is a bit complicated as I was from the South. Look up the Free State of Winston.
Drunk drivers don't always know that they're drunk. Someone can be legally drunk and not show symptoms. The point is that there are rules we all follow regardless of symptoms because we have to have some responsibility for how we affect others. The person who prepares your food in a restaurant or in the store you buy it from has to follow certain standards like hand-washing even if they think their hands are clean and they show no symptoms of being sick. You wouldn't hold the person who prepared your food liable if they prepared it after going to the bathroom and not washing their hands? Somehow I can't believe that. That's why public health standards and regulations exist. There needs to be reasonable expectations of how people behave when they are interacting with other people. The blame shouldn't go on the victim of someone else's negligence.
Unless you're living off the grid then you absolutely do "live with these OTHER people". They have certain responsibilities in regards to your safety and you have certain responsibilities in regards to their safety. You can claim your denial of this all you like but it's a fact and it's reality.
I didn't say "government", I said "society". With a society comes benefits AND responsibilities. You're responsible to the society from which you benefit.
I don't know where you're getting 'tyranny' from, nobody brought up tyranny. If you perceive responsibility as tyranny then go live where there is no society, out in the wilderness, off the grid. It's that simple. If you want to participate in society on any level then you must have responsibility towards that society in exchange for the benefits you receive from that society. If all you want is power from the grid, then that's fine, but you have a responsibility to compensate the society that is providing you power by paying that company. If you want to do business with the society and the members of that society then you have to take on the responsibility of living with the people you're doing business with in that society.
But I can tell from your use of the word 'tyranny' that you don't understand the word. There are Christians in this world who live under REAL tyranny, who are persecuted and killed for their faith. Calling mere social responsibility 'tyranny' is an affront to the experience of real Christians around the world.
No, you actually are imposing your ideology on me and everyone in society.
You are telling the society in which you choose to live that they have no right to maintain their public safety and health standards. You could make the same argument about seat belts, that you are not asking anyone to wear a seat belt and that it's 'tyranny' for society to tell you you have to wear a seat belt. Of course, that would be just as wrong. Society (and the government that governs it) does well to defend the rights of its members. That's what wearing seat belts or masks (or shirts or shoes) does for the individuals in a society.
Now, if you really took responsibility for yourself only you would simply leave such a society and go live where you can deal with little or none of these rules and regulations. You can homestead in the wilderness, off the grid, and never have to do anything. But as long as there are people around you in any aspect of your life then you have a responsibility towards them just as they have responsibilities towards you. The whole reason you "own" anything at all in your life is because society makes it happen. Society says that property and land ownership are your right. Society enforces your rights by providing police and courts so that you can protect your ownership rights. If not, then you'd be left to defend your property and with certainty someone bigger and stronger than you would come along and take everything you have. Maybe make you his vassal or serf. What prevents that is society.
That's not a fact, that's a lie. Tyranny is not government. Government is instituted by God. Romans 13 explains it clearly - I don't know if you believe God's Word on this but here's what God says in His Holy Word:
Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Now, if you can show me Biblically how earthly government is "tyranny" for enforcing God's justice then please feel free. From what I see, earthly government is not "tyranny" but rather God's ordained ministers unto His Justice and rebellion against them brings damnation upon the rebel.
What about rebellion against bad governments? Let’s say a president or government is ruling in a terrible way which makes the governed to revolt, is that also a sin? Is it a sin to revolt against government when clearly they are not ruling right? Because according to the scripture you used, rebellion against a government is a sin
That's hurtful, I have very big hopes I have you know.Bull, I hate the left. I am more conservative than you'll ever hope to be. If you would be smart and read I quoted an article.
That's hurtful, I have very big hopes I have you know.
Sorry, my first impressions have been known to be wrong before.
I'll take civil war, please!The consequences won't make me believe im wrong nor selfish. The whole world is wrong and selfish and or stupid to give up there freedoms. Land of the free, HOME OF THE BRAVE? What a joke.
Yea, they can refuse service. Its wrong, but sure. But some businesses won't refuse service. Heck, some businesses can refuse service if you DO WEAR A MASK. As a counter culture response. Cudos to them.
And I thought you agreed with me that I'm not responsible? Now your saying I am?
No, thats not how to solve it. The way to solve it is governments leave the businesses alone and the businesses decide there own policy on masks. That, or civil war.
Actually, that's what Peter did.You have tipped love, selfishness totally upside down on its head. Thats what Satan does, tips the cross upside down.
Civil war over mask-wearing requirements to get through a pandemic?No, thats not how to solve it. The way to solve it is governments leave the businesses alone and the businesses decide there own policy on masks. That, or civil war.
One can only hope. A truly free society is one where everyone kills anyone over anything.Civil war over mask-wearing requirements to get through a pandemic?
What’s next, an insurrection to protest speed-traps?
It appears then.... that you have no concern about how many people you may infect while being a carrier during your incubation period. Nice.
I don't see why they should get to choose that any more than they get to choose whether their employees wash their hands after going to the bathroom.
Yeah, uh huh. Sure.
Fantasizing about civil war is a bit odd considering you're part of the minority. You would lose anyway just like the South did back in the day.
I'm MORE concerned about everyone's freedom.
I'm MORE concerned about everyone's freedom.
Drunk drivers don't always know that they're drunk.
Someone can be legally drunk and not show symptoms.
The point is that there are rules we all follow regardless of symptoms because we have to have some responsibility for how we affect others. The person who prepares your food in a restaurant or in the store you buy it from has to follow certain standards like hand-washing even if they think their hands are clean and they show no symptoms of being sick. You wouldn't hold the person who prepared your food liable if they prepared it after going to the bathroom and not washing their hands? Somehow I can't believe that.
That's why public health standards and regulations exist. There needs to be reasonable expectations of how people behave when they are interacting with other people. The blame shouldn't go on the victim of someone else's negligence.
Unless you're living off the grid then you absolutely do "live with these OTHER people". They have certain responsibilities in regards to your safety and you have certain responsibilities in regards to their safety. You can claim your denial of this all you like but it's a fact and it's reality.
I didn't say "government", I said "society". With a society comes benefits AND responsibilities. You're responsible to the society from which you benefit.
I don't know where you're getting 'tyranny' from, nobody brought up tyranny.
If you perceive responsibility as tyranny then go live where there is no society, out in the wilderness, off the grid. It's that simple.
If you want to participate in society on any level then you must have responsibility towards that society in exchange for the benefits you receive from that society.
If all you want is power from the grid, then that's fine, but you have a responsibility to compensate the society that is providing you power by paying that company.
If you want to do business with the society and the members of that society then you have to take on the responsibility of living with the people you're doing business with in that society.
But I can tell from your use of the word 'tyranny' that you don't understand the word. There are Christians in this world who live under REAL tyranny, who are persecuted and killed for their faith. Calling mere social responsibility 'tyranny' is an affront to the experience of real Christians around the world.
No, you actually are imposing your ideology on me and everyone in society.
You are telling the society in which you choose to live that they have no right to maintain their public safety and health standards.
You could make the same argument about seat belts, that you are not asking anyone to wear a seat belt and that it's 'tyranny' for society to tell you you have to wear a seat belt.
Of course, that would be just as wrong. Society (and the government that governs it) does well to defend the rights of its members. That's what wearing seat belts or masks (or shirts or shoes) does for the individuals in a society.
if you really took responsibility for yourself only you would simply leave such a society and go live where you can deal with little or none of these rules and regulations. You can homestead in the wilderness, off the grid, and never have to do anything. But as long as there are people around you in any aspect of your life then you have a responsibility towards them just as they have responsibilities towards you.
The whole reason you "own" anything at all in your life is because society makes it happen.
Society says that property and land ownership are your right.
Society enforces your rights by providing police and courts so that you can protect your ownership rights. If not, then you'd be left to defend your property and with certainty someone bigger and stronger than you would come along and take everything you have. Maybe make you his vassal or serf. What prevents that is society.
That's not a fact, that's a lie. Tyranny is not government. Government is instituted by God. Romans 13 explains it clearly - I don't know if you believe God's Word on this but here's what God says in His Holy Word:
Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
Now, if you can show me Biblically how earthly government is "tyranny" for enforcing God's justice then please feel free. From what I see, earthly government is not "tyranny" but rather God's ordained ministers unto His Justice and rebellion against them brings damnation upon the rebel.
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The only exception we see in God's Word for not submitting to earthly government is if it would cause you to sin directly against God. So, a government that taxes you "too much" or otherwise does things we may not like is not causing us to sin directly against God with those things. But a government that tries to force me to worship an idol or to harm other people by enslaving or killing them, I am not bound to obey those laws because we ought to obey God rather than men.What about rebellion against bad governments? Let’s say a president or government is ruling in a terrible way which makes the governed to revolt, is that also a sin? Is it a sin to revolt against government when clearly they are not ruling right? Because according to the scripture you used, rebellion against a government is a sin
Thanks.The only exception we see in God's Word for not submitting to earthly government is if it would cause you to sin directly against God. So, a government that taxes you "too much" or otherwise does things we may not like is not causing us to sin directly against God with those things. But a government that tries to force me to worship an idol or to harm other people by enslaving or killing them, I am not bound to obey those laws because we ought to obey God rather than men.
For example - if I lived in Nazi Germany, if I were helping a Jew to avoid being captured and killed, I would be breaking the law BUT it would be to serve God and do His Will. However, if I went to the store and stole a watch and then the Nazi government caught me, I have no excuse, I am bound to the laws and justice of that government.
Look at Daniel who obeyed Nebuchadnezzar right up until he was asked to sin against God. Look at the Apostles like Peter and Paul and John who were martyred, they obeyed the government at all times right up until they were ordered to stop evangelizing and they disobeyed in that because it would have caused them to sin, so they were martyred for it. But this is the same St. Paul the Apostle who was in jail during an earthquake and could have escaped BUT he remained subject to the authorities and stayed in jail, so as to obey the government and thereby obey God.
Lets stay in context, MASKS. I'm not responsible for your health, if you dont wanna take the risk to get sick, then YOU wear the mask.
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