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Why are Christians living like the rest of the world?

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seekthetruth909

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Please read the reviews of the book below and comment on why most Christians are no different in many aspects as non-Christians.
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I only read about half of this, may read more later.

This seems to be a lot of judging outer works. God judges the heart. God sees the widow giving 2 mites, which is nothing in this world's economy, but God knows that is everything.

I also hear often from politics America is the most charitable country in the world. So that is at least something. I am not sure if that is still true, but I heard that a year or so ago.

Also, one other comment, yes many churches are becoming politically correct and the sin is creeping in and even condoned by many church leaders. I urge all christians to continue learning of Jesus and His teachings and Holy Spirit for themselves and not rely on their church leaders so much. Especially read the bible. I find bible reading and study very lacking. Daily is wonderful, even bible on walkmen tapes is very wonderful.
 
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Please read the reviews of the book below and comment on why most Christians are no different in many aspects as non-Christians.
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God Bless



First, do you have any reviews from any Christian sources for this book? I'm a little skeptical of the secular media because they will jump on any bandwagon as long as it bashes Christianity in general, and not just evangelicalism. Your question should read "Why do Evangelicals behave just like the rest of the world"? Since the group Sider has chosen to focus on is the Evangelicals not Lutherans, Methodists, Protestants, Presbyterians (by the way, giving is huge in the Presbyterian churches), etc.

The simple reason that Evangelicals or Christians as you've stated it, look like the rest of the world is because they most likely have not been presented with sound biblical teaching and do not understand why they need a savior or what it even means to be saved. I was part of the Evangelical movement for a few years and then part of a non-denom church and all I heard week in and week out were topical sermons. I kept hearing how God loved me, and how He desired a relationship with me, and how He sent His son to die for me so He could have a relationship with me. I also heard that all I needed to do since I was basically a good person, was to ask Jesus into my heart and all would be forgiven. There was no public confession of sin, we never recited a creed, such as the Apostle's, the Nicene or the Athanasian creed, nor did we ever hear any of these mentioned. The Apostle's Creed is a very basic summation and statement of faith for Christians. It's been said that if you can not affirm the statements in that creed, chances are you're not a Christian.

First, where in the bible does it tell you to "ask Jesus into your heart" and where does it say you're a good person? All this feel good Christianity is poison to the true gospel message. If you're not hearing Christ crucified, died, buried, and risen for your sin or if you've never heard that, then you're in real trouble. You have no reason to be a Christian. The message we're hearing should be Christ-centered and cross-focused, if it isn't, something is seriously wrong. All the warm fuzzies of how Jesus loves you may make you feel all warm and good inside, but you won't recognize your need for a savior, something most Evangelical churches leave out of their gospel presentations. Until the law of God breaks you and proves to you that you have lived a life that is in opposition to God, until you know God's standard and know how you measure up to that standard, and everyone falls short, you will not know why you need a savior. That in short is why Evangelicals and Christians in all denominations and non-denominations look like the rest of the world.
 
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A couple a months ago in the Pentecostal forum the subject of giving came up. An American Christian tax accountant in that forum said that in her work as an accountant she was surprised to find that Christians gave less to charity than non-Christians.
If her statement is true, why do American Christians as a whole give less to charity than non-Christians?

I agree with your sound advice.Thank you for your insights.We should read our bibles more and not rely on our church leaders so much. When you accept Christ it is a commitment, not a pastime.

God Bless
 
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I appreciate your encouragement.

I don't know about the accountant's observation. That hasn't been my personal observation, but I am still a young christian. I like to work with others who have compassion for the poor and hurting, and haven't really looked at those who are not helping. That is just my personal practice, I fellowship with those who like to give.

I didn't really consider the difference in those claiming to be christian and the rest of america when I stated America gives the most charitable. I personally believe stingy churchgoers claiming to be christians need to examine themselves. Jesus says it is more blessed to give.

thanks for talking
 
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Let's not forget that Christains are some of the first to send a ministry of people to countries hit with natural disasters (ie. tsnamis, volcanos, ....).

But, it is true that most Christians are living lives no different than non-believers, (ie. self first). They need to be "rebuked" for hypocracy. If they are TRUE Christians, it will outwardly show through love and kindness (Jesus should be convicting them of any self-righeousness). To be a GENUINE Christian means you are "born of God" and you put God first and self last.

John 8:47
"He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."

Many Christians say they know Jesus, but in reality, they only know OF him.
 
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The term "Evangelical" includes all those denominations. "Evangelical churches" does not refer to a denomination. The term is more synonymous with "Protestant."

Most of the people on this forum are evangelical Christians.

Maybe you already know this and I'm misunderstanding?
 
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Long answer. Because Christianity takes in the trash of the world who are easily manipulated when someone says hey we care about you. They then try to change them through brainwashing, only it doesn't work because it's like a wife trying to change her husband, it never works. So they then put them in a large room with all of the already brainwashed people, call it worship or a seminar, and go to work manipulating them by showing them the little kids in the world who have worse than them and get the selfish pigs to think for one second about someone other than themselves. But when they walk out of that room they realize hey I'm still the same person and go back to being what they always were trash. Only now they have a new title... Christian!
 
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In response to the OP, many christians are not different outwardly than the world because it is much easier to say "I'm a christian." than it is to actually follow Christ and live that out. Because we are still busted up broken sinful people we just happen to be forgiven for those sins and some of us are better at following Christ and putting self last. Because accepting Christ as the leader and fogiver of your life can make you a Christian but does not instantly puta away all your selfish desires and past habits that is a slow and painful process which we all trip up on at least once in a while.

Oh, I admit to not fullyl reading the original excerpt so if I'm way off topic just kindly ignore me.
 
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"The term "Evangelical" includes all those denominations."

No. The term Protestant covers all those denominations. Evangelical is a denomination. Some examples are: the Evangelical Free and Evangelical Covenant churches.

"Evangelical churches" does not refer to a denomination."

That is simply not true. See above.

"The term is more synonymous with "Protestant.""

Not at all. Protestant covers all of the Christian churches, while excluding of course the Catholic churches. In fact, I was taught that the word Protestant refers to those churches that stood in opposition or in protest to Roman Catholicism and its teachings.

"Most of the people on this forum are evangelical Christians."

That could be true, since evangelical with the way and with the spelling you've used here, refers to a person who goes out and shares the gospel or good news of Christ with the rest of the world. A person is an evangelical if they go out and spread the gospel message regardless of denomination. You can have an evangelical Catholic, an evangelical Methodist, an evangelical Presbyterian, an evangelical Lutheran, although with that one it gets a little confusing because of the ELCA denomination. Evangelical with a capital "E" is in reference to a denomination. Evangelical with a lowercase "e" is in reference to a person. Understand?
 
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Please read the reviews of the book below and comment on why most Christians are no different in many aspects as non-Christians.
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Here is what Jesus have to say to your question.

Matthew 24:5 (KJV)
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 13:6 (KJV)
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Luke 21:8 (KJV)
And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
 
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When you have a law of "tithing" , these things happen . If they were encouraged to have a relationship with the Lord instead of the Law , you wouldn't see things like this .

I do find it interesting that a high percentage of those who actually say that they *agree* with tithing - don't . Yet , their people spend all of their time debating with those that don't agree but give much more generously , anyway . Their time would be better spent harassing those that say that they already agree .
 
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"When you have a law of "tithing" , these things happen."

Are you saying that if there were no law on tithing that people would actually give more? Or would they actually still give nothing, because there is no law commanding them to give anything?

Also, when we tithe, how much are we supposed to give? Do we have to give all of that percentage to the church or can we give it to people and organizations who need it for something other than a new church parking lot or an expanded campus?

"If they were encouraged to have a relationship with the Lord instead of the Law , you wouldn't see things like this."

Without the law there is no need for a relationship with the Lord. I don't see how you can have one without the other. But just out of curiosity, how would having a relationship with the Lord change anything? Why should it change anything? The Lord owns everything anyway, He certainly doesn't need our money. So why would a person be inclined to give their money to the Lord if it's already all His anyway and going back to your earlier suggestion that there is no law for tithing?
 
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Some of it is not knowing what The Word says and accepting the world system such as:

(1) in relationship to handling finances Rom 13:8 "Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law," but we "buy" into needing the latest and the greatest

(2) - Phil 4:19 "But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus" compared to statistics that reflect Christians primarily vote based on the politican candidate's economical platform -

(3) Acts 20:35 "...It is more blessed to give than to receive" that contrast with the self centered lifestyle that is promoted at every turn.

(4) 1Co 6:19 "...know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit ..." just an example, yoga is increasingly encouraged and in meditation, people empty their minds which allows for the enemy.

These are just a few examples. Of course, once we know what The Word says, we then have to obey it.
 
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Reply by New_Wineskin:

1) They ARE encouraged to have a relationship w/ Christ over "Law" even when encouraged to tithe.. they aren't asking them to be under law, but using God's OT standard for giving.

2) Can I ask how you KNOW how "high" this % is who claim to tithe yet don't?
Are you directly involved in seeing each person's offering who claims they tithe to make such a statement?

As far as Christians giving less to charity, I can vouch for our household that we give entirely to our church's (or thru other ministry's)CHARITY funds which go directly into our local community, (or into other charities like Samaritan's Purse) which is FULL of unwed/teen mothers and people barely making ends meet. & they just finished a toys for tots/shoebox drive to give toys to kids in hospitals & overseas, etc.

I'd much rather give thru the church BECAUSE WHEN THE CHURCH DELIVERS THE AID TO THE PEOPLE DIRECTLY, THEY ARE ALSO GIVEN THE GOSPEL with it.
Money & aid are helpful, but CHRIST is the source who can turn their life around, giving much greater aid in my opinion.

So, statistically, our household looks like it gives ZERO to charity, yet we do alot of charity THRU our church.
I would suspect many other Christians do as well when they give to their churches.
 
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"Most Christians are no different" Because "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor,and you shall have treasure in heaven;and come, follow Me". Mat.c19v21 NASB. Most Christians are not willing to take this step so readily. These folks like the social aspect,title and community acceptance,(that is also known as the proverbial Fig Leaf) associated with being"A Christian". "For through the Law I died to the Law,that I might live to God". "I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and delivered Himself up for me. Gal. c2v19,20 NASB "The first man is from the earth, earthy;the second man is from heaven. As is the earthy, so also are those who are earthy; and as is the heavenly,so also are those who are heavenly". I Cor.c15v47,48 NASB. Religion has a way of pulling leaves and trimming branches in a persons life but never really puts the axe to the root. That's why religion is so popular. ADAMS Family or Gods Family? I am greatful that God is not very RELIGIOUS.
 
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most christians are like the world because they are really and truly not saved we have to obey the the bible at all times not when we want to are feel like it but daily we must walk in the was of God everyone you meet for the most part if you ask are you saved they will say yes. because people have a twisted mind set of what salvation really is when you read the bible and it says dont drink well their are many christians and pastors that think it is ok to drink now why is that. because people are going to live by what they see other people do thats why at all times we must be an exsample to the world and not be part of it.
 
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