Why are certain answers avoided?

[Huusoku]

Hi, first post here :-D

The Bible nowhere sanctions the use of intoxicating wine.

John,

Take a look at this website which I think more than answers your question:
Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcohol? robertroberg dot com / writings / wine.html (Sorry, I don't have permission to share a link until I get 50 posts)

Jewellery is forbidden but I have seen many SDAs who drive very expensive cars

Remember God is our only judge, he alone knows our hearts. I was raised SDA and attend SDA churches regularly, I therefore consider myself a SDA, however I am humble enough to be the first to admit that there are things I am doing that are not what I should be doing. Don't judge an organization on what you saw some members doing. It's a shame when a few bad apples spoil the whole lot, and I'm sure every church has these. Instead, look into the core values of a religion and see for yourself (ie. judge the system not the people).

I think everything is OK as long we dont surpass a certain level...

As the author of the link I posted above states,

Even in moderation it is a poison. You wouldn't advocate adultery in moderation, or murder in moderation so why would you advocate taking Alcohol in moderation?

Another good point as quotes from the link,

At a wedding in Cana Jesus is said to have changed water into wine.

It is my belief that Jesus made fresh grape juice and not the forbidden Alcoholic wine. Would he who was sinless make a condemned substance? He would never have made a drink that causes people to lose visual acuity, mental acuity, bodily motor control and that leads to ravings, fighting, vomiting, memory-loss, cirrhosis of the liver, black-outs and loss of brain mass? It is unthinkable to suggest that he made alcoholic wine. It says that the people at the wedding ran out of beverage. If they had drunk all the alcohol they had are we to believe that Jesus made 60 gallons more? . They would have been falling down and slurring their speech and passing out. Would the lover of our souls really do that to people? Open your eyes he came to set us free from alcohol, not make party animals out of us.

I believe that drinking alcohol (or any other damaging substance to the body, such as drugs) is frowned upon by God. More to ponder is 1) should we believe that Adam and Eve drank alcohol in the Garden of Eden (shouldn't this "acceptable" substance be part of the perfect utopia), and 2) should we believe that in heaven we will be drinking beer and wine for all eternity? Why wouldn't these be included in the Bible if true?

Regards,
Huusoku

 

[JohnMarsten]

Hi, first post here :-D



John,

Take a look at this website which I think more than answers your question:
Did Jesus Make or Drink Alcohol? robertroberg dot com / writings / wine.html (Sorry, I don't have permission to share a link until I get 50 posts)


Remember God is our only judge, he alone knows our hearts. I was raised SDA and attend SDA churches regularly, I therefore consider myself a SDA, however I am humble enough to be the first to admit that there are things I am doing that are not what I should be doing. Don't judge an organization on what you saw some members doing. It's a shame when a few bad apples spoil the whole lot, and I'm sure every church has these. Instead, look into the core values of a religion and see for yourself (ie. judge the system not the people).


As the author of the link I posted above states,

Another good point as quotes from the link,

I believe that drinking alcohol (or any other damaging substance to the body, such as drugs) is frowned upon by God. More to ponder is 1) should we believe that Adam and Eve drank alcohol in the Garden of Eden (shouldn't this "acceptable" substance be part of the perfect utopia), and 2) should we believe that in heaven we will be drinking beer and wine for all eternity? Why wouldn't these be included in the Bible if true?

Regards,
Huusoku

What Does The Bible Say About Drinking?

 

[JohnMarsten]

אֲשֶׁר־תְּאַוֶּה נַפְשְׁ בַּבָּקָר וּבַצֹּאן וּבַיַּיִן וּבַשֵּׁכָר וּבְכֹל אֲשֶׁר תִּשְׁאָלְ נַפְשֶׁ וְאָכַלְתָּ שָּׁם לִפְנֵי יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶי וְשָׂמַחְתָּ אַתָּה וּבֵיתֶ
14:26 w'nätaTäh haKešef B'khol ásher-T'aűeh naf'sh'khä BaBäqär űvaTZon űvaYayin űvaSHëkhär űv'khol ásher Tish'äl'khä naf'shekhä w'äkhal'Tä SHäm lif'nëy y'hwäh éloheykhä w'sämach'Tä aTäh űvëytekhä
14:26 And thou shalt bestow 5414 z8804 that money 3701 for whatsoever x3605 x834 thy soul 5315 lusteth after, 183 z8762 for oxen, 1241 or for sheep, 6629 or for wine, 3196 or for strong drink, 7941 or for whatsoever x3605 x834 thy soul 5315 desireth: 7592 z8799 and thou shalt eat 398 z8804 there x8033 before 6440 Yähwč יָהוֶה 3068 thy ´Élöhîm אֱלֹהִים, 430 and thou shalt rejoice, 8055 z8804 thou, x859 and thine household, 1004


since the guy from the link you posted is talking so much about the evil Yayin

maybe you send him this translation of deuteronmy 14

 

[Huusoku]

For other viewers, please see my opinion of Deut 14 here: christianforums dot com /t7624537-15/#post59678126