Why and what is MAGA?

[Occams Barber]

The slogan of Trump supporters is:

'Make America Great Again'
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What is this Greatness and why does it need restoring?

OB​

 

[HTacianas]

The slogan of Trump supporters is:

'Make America Great Again'
​

What is this Greatness and why does it need restoring?

OB​

It symbolizes a return to manufacturing and innovative greatness and also our tradition of family.

 

[pdudgeon]

It symbolizes a return to manufacturing and innovative greatness and also our tradition of family.

In other words, a rewind back to the 1950's. Those were good days!

 

[ottawak]

In other words, a rewind back to the 1950's. Those were good days!

For the kind of people who like to support Trump they were indeed the good old days. For others of us not so much, but we're not supposed to teach about that in school any more so it will soon be forgotten.

 

[HTacianas]

In other words, a rewind back to the 1950's. Those were good days!

That could probably be described as America's heyday. The entire world had been destroyed during WWII but the US was left mostly untouched. The world then needed things to rebuild and the US was nearly the only place to get them.

 

[seeking.IAM]

I am suspect about any movement that promises leading me to greatness whilst its leader wears a trucker's cap with a suit and a tie past the beltline. I mean if you can't master the basics about male fashion, what can you do for me really?

 

[Occams Barber]

It symbolizes a return to manufacturing and innovative greatness and also our tradition of family.

Sounds like a rerun of 'Leave it to Beaver'

OB

 

[Occams Barber]

I am suspect about any movement that promises leading me to greatness whilst its leader wears a trucker's cap with a suit and a tie past the beltline. I mean if you can't master the basics about male fashion, what can you do for me really?

As a one time suit and tie wearer, I have always been fascinated with Trump's tie length. I reached the conclusion that it's a deliberate attempt to create the illusion of height and minimise the obvious pot belly.

OB

 

[Occams Barber]

It symbolizes a return to manufacturing and innovative greatness and also our tradition of family.

OK I'll be serious.

A return to manufacturing on any large scale is highly unlikely due to the obvious cost of labour problem. For American made product to sell it would need either:

• a public prepared to pay higher prices than they pay for a foreign made, but cheaper, product.

or

• government subsidy to offset the higher cost of the home built product. Since a subsidy would come out of taxes the public pays

or

• tariffs on imported product. Again the public pays through higher prices

The second or third option is possible but not on any big scale. Tariff protections also have a poor track record since they are a disincentive to local manufacturing to improve product and reduce prices.

Encouraging innovation requires industry subsidy. Possible, but again the taxpayer pays.

Old fashioned families? (see my comment about Leave It To Beaver). Reverse engineering social structure is near impossible.


Overall - these changes hardly qualify as 'Great'.
OB

 

[HTacianas]

OK I'll be serious.

A return to manufacturing on any large scale is highly unlikely due to the obvious cost of labour problem. For American made product to sell it would need either:

• a public prepared to pay higher prices than they pay for a foreign made, but cheaper, product.

or

• government subsidy to offset the higher cost of the home built product. Since a subsidy would come out of taxes the public pays

or

• tariffs on imported product. Again the public pays through higher prices

The second or third option is possible but not on any big scale. Tariff protections also have a poor track record since they are a disincentive to local manufacturing to improve product and reduce prices.

Encouraging innovation requires industry subsidy. Possible, but again the taxpayer pays.

Old fashioned families? (see my comment about Leave It To Beaver). Reverse engineering social structure is near impossible.


Overall - these changes hardly qualify as 'Great'.
OB

I take it you are a defeatist. The cause is lost so we just give up?

There are millions of Americans who like life that way. Economic opportunity and strong support for the nuclear family has always worked. But what we are seeing is the devaluing of both.

 

[Occams Barber]

I take it you are a defeatist. The cause is lost so we just give up?

No I'm not a defeatist - I'm an Australian.

Things here are fine thanks.

There are millions of Americans who like life that way. Economic opportunity and strong support for the nuclear family has always worked. But what we are seeing is the devaluing of both

What way is 'that way"?

'Economic opportunity' won't replace the public expenditure needed to restore large scale manufacturing.

OB

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I take it you are a defeatist. The cause is lost so we just give up?

There are millions of Americans who like life that way. Economic opportunity and strong support for the nuclear family has always worked. But what we are seeing is the devaluing of both.

Is it defeatist to reject getting stuck in the past? Trying to bring back "the glory days" doesn't work any better for a country than it does for Ted Schmosby who peaked in high school and is still trying to recapture those moments thirty years later.

Rather, we should look forward and create a new golden age that is built within the reality of our own time.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Back to the time the conscience was well formed by Christian morals and values. The authority given it from above. The conscience formed in Christ's image bettered human life universally. Structures and institutions we take for granted now are the fruits of Christ in the Sanctuary. Jesus judging our deeds.... That's when human industry could find it's guide within. The authority given to conscience kept civil laws unnecessary. You could leave your bike in the front yard without a thought.
That is the mind that built government to serve families. That's the greatness that once was but now is not. It seemed to me that the beastly image was taking fire in the sanctuary when Trump was MAGA.

 

[seeking.IAM]

As a one time suit and tie wearer, I have always been fascinated with Trump's tie length. I reached the conclusion that it's a deliberate attempt to create the illusion of height and minimise the obvious pot belly.

OB

It is not working.

 

[Occams Barber]

Back to the time the conscience was well formed by Christian morals and values. The authority given it from above. The conscience formed in Christ's image bettered human life universally. Structures and institutions we take for granted now are the fruits of Christ in the Sanctuary. Jesus judging our deeds.... That's when human industry could find it's guide within. The authority given to conscience kept civil laws unnecessary. You could leave your bike in the front yard without a thought.
That is the mind that built government to serve families. That's the greatness that once was but now is not. It seemed to me that the beastly image was taking fire in the sanctuary when Trump was MAGA.

Another 'Leave it to Beaver' answer?


NB: In a separate thread I've talked about Christianese being incomprehensible to those of us brought up on a diet of plain English. This line from your response is a classic example of this incomprehensibility:

'It seemed to me that the beastly image was taking fire in the sanctuary when Trump was MAGA.'

OB​

 

[HTacianas]

Is it defeatist to reject getting stuck in the past? Trying to bring back "the glory days" doesn't work any better for a country than it does for Ted Schmosby who peaked in high school and is still trying to recapture those moments thirty years later.

Rather, we should look forward and create a new golden age that is built within the reality of our own time.

What does "the reality of our own time" look like?

 

[public hermit]

The slogan of Trump supporters is:

'Make America Great Again'
​

What is this Greatness and why does it need restoring?

OB​

It's an attempt by a bunch of white folks to restore the illusion of white greatness. For them, the sweet spot of American greatness is found somewhere in the 1950s.That doesn't mean the vast majority of white folks at Trump rallies looked at it as white greatness. I'm sure many just wanted things to be great again. But, of course, they aren't thinking about all the other Americans that have no desire to go back to the 1950s, which includes almost all the non-white folks. And, of course, that just shows how white it was, this so-called greatness.

MAGA supporters will say it's about better economics and the family and the good old days, which were all great for white folks. Yes, it's all very, very white. And, as always, what lurks behind it is white fear. It's a white-washed history to placate white fear. I'm trying not to use the word "white" too much, but it can hardly be done.

 

[Eloy Craft]

In a separate thread I've talked about Christianese being incomprehensible to those of us brought up on a diet of plain English. This line from your response is a classic example of this incomprehensibility:

You don't understand what I wrote. Your response is typical anti-christian bias.

It seemed to me that the beastly image was taking fire in the sanctuary when Trump was MAGA.'

I thought it a bit cryptic but comprehensible in the context of my post.
Why not comment on the concepts and ideas I wrote about as ambiguous as they are.

 

[Occams Barber]

I thought it a bit cryptic but comprehensible in the context of my post.
Why not comment on the concepts and ideas I wrote about as ambiguous as they are.

Because your comments were cryptic, incomprehensible and ambiguous.
OB

 

[disciple Clint]

It symbolizes a return to manufacturing and innovative greatness and also our tradition of family.

and our leadership in the world and a return to loving our nation.