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Someone made a good point earlier. Everyone is posting their case. It can go on and on. Using snippets from the Church Fathers to "prove" their point.
Jesus tells us to listen to the Church. He never told us to listen to the Bible. Is the Bible profitable? Absolutely.
In comes down to Authority. If you are obstinate and reject human authority, all you have left is the Bible, so therefore that argument is made.
But think about it. Everything isn't written down in the Bible. The apostles had more knowledge of matters that is written down.
Most likely it's the same with those that knew the apostles. They could always ask the apostles about verses and chapters that was hard to understand. So the early Church is a very useful tool. God bless!
Good Day, Pete
Not sure how you are using tradition. I can say this the documentation line that represents what Scripture is historically is massive when compared to any documentary history for any other written work in antiquity.
History answers the question.
In Him,
Bill
"Sola scriptura" is about "testing" all doctrine - it is not an argument for "there is no useful information outside of scripture"
Indeed many useful.
But all tested by scripture so it is in Acts 17:11 "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF the things spoken to them by the Apostle Paul - were SO" we see both the usefulness of "things spoken by Paul" an apostle of the first order - of the first century -- and also the "testing of it" that is "sola scriptura".
I'm sorry, but people dont give the Church authority. Christ gave the Church authority. People are free to reject it or accept it.That's the danger of giving a church of today full authority.
I'm sorry, but people dont give the Church authority. Christ gave the Church authority. People are free to reject it or accept it.
I'm sorry, but people dont give the Church authority. Christ gave the Church authority. People are free to reject it or accept it.
Every time this topic comes up, we get several different uses of the word and then most of the discussion goes off into Left Field somewhere, with posters not able to understand what the other person is saying.Maybe I have the wrong use of the word "tradition".
Bill, your question how I use the word "tradition" gave me a thinker.
False.If the belief is already stated in the Bible, we're not talking about a doctrine by Tradition.
Nope. That's it in a nutshell.False.
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Again, the Church according to scripture is not done unidentifiable thing.If not saved you are not a member of the Church
There is no record of Christ giving King Henry VII authority (founder of the Church of England) but there is scriptural record of Christ giving the Church Authority.even if you are a member of your church or any other church organisation, be it Christ gave it authority or not.
Nope, they are free to research themselves and see who speaks the truth.Nope. That's it in a nutshell.
All you've done in reply is give readers an example of a mistaken use of the term Tradition or Sacred Tradition.
Again, the Church according to scripture is not done unidentifiable thing.
There is no record of Christ giving King Henry VII authority (founder of the Church of England) but there is scriptural record of Christ giving the Church Authority.
ah, becasue I exposed a mistake....sorry but truth needs to be told.I didn't say that you defined Sacred Tradition; I said that your reply gave us an example of how the term gets misused.
Henry VIII certainly did found the Church of England. Be proud!!!1. The topic here is not Henry VII.
2. Henry VII did not found the Church of England; nor did Henry VIII whom you did not mention. and
which is not a biblical position.3. I'm the one here who's arguing for the reliability and sufficiency of Scripture!
Again, the Church according to scripture is not done unidentifiable thing.
There is no record of Christ giving King Henry VII authority (founder of the Church of England) but there is scriptural record of Christ giving the Church Authority.
follow what scripture tells you to do. Be Baptized and listen to Her.Ok, how do i become part of the Church?
Henry VIII certainly did found the Church of England. Be proud!!!
follow what scripture tells you to do. Be Baptized and listen to Her.
it is amusing how people try to distance themselves from this historical fact.It's amusing how this fiction survives among members of certain denominations.
um, read historyFew of the people who parrot it ever give any reason for saying it, because they don't know.
. You didn't even know which king you were supposed to accuse!And it wasn't a typo because I've read it before
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