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Why an eternal hell?

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createdtoworship

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The Bible says nothing about an eternal hell. The doctrine seeped into Christianity from paganism, as did immortality of the soul and the so-called 'undead' and 'day of the dead' as seen in Catholicism on 'All souls day' are straight out of the Eleusian mysteries and the ancient cult of Persephone (Isis). Vampires, saints, werewolves, immortal beings, gods, nymphs, fairies, zombies all have pagan origins and have nothing to do with the Bible. This beings are all the undead and live forever. The world is obsessed with this satanic garbage. The Bible tells us: "the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4. There is no such thing as an immortal soul or hellfire that burns forever.

eternal souls and Hell existed before the empirial catholic church existed...

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http://www.christianforums.com/t7648154-58/#post60526941
 
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no one tortured forever.

God is the one who "destroys BOTH body AND soul in fiery hell" rather than torturing forever. Matt 10:28.

in Christ,

Bob
You can tell yourself that until eternity comes but you have offered no solid proof. We have.

Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB)
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
 
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:doh:

So, the WTC still exists? Sure, I would agree that its component parts continue to exist somewhere as something, but you are saying that this means that the WTC has not ceased to exist. And, this makes sense to you?!?!?

So, let me ask you: since my house is built from wooden beams, which are cut from several trees, does that mean that my house is a forest?

the WTC was a bunch of iron and concrete and glass.

it is still that in some form or another.

we do not refer to our homes as forests, but we also know that it takes a forest to build a home out of wood! We never forget that many trees were lost in the process, and thank God for His creation.
 
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dollarsbill said:
You want us to act like it's not there too? Every English Bible I know of has it.

"They shall be tormented day and night forever and ever."

Oh yeah and that verse, the one that sounds like it might support eternal torment of nonbelievers until you read the preceding sentence to find out who "they" refers to, and you realize that it its equally irrelevant to the discussion.
 
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gradyll said:
the WTC was a bunch of iron and concrete and glass.

it is still that in some form or another.

we do not refer to our homes as forests, but we also know that it takes a forest to build a home out of wood! We never forget that many trees were lost in the process, and thank God for His creation.

So you admit that the trees are lost, they cease being trees when they are destroyed to make beams for our homes. In other words, the trees cease to exist.
 
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So you admit that the trees are lost, they cease being trees when they are destroyed to make beams for our homes. In other words, the trees cease to exist.

where do you get your logic from? The wood of the trees is whats holding up your homes? Hello?
 
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so God is not a Judge now? nice theology.

Huh?!?!? Where on Earth did you get that from?

You compared him to a human judge who is required by law to enforce the laws as they are written by a lawmaker. A human judge who sentences a man to death may be required to by the laws that someone else has made. God is judge and lawmaker. Unlike a human judge who is bound to enforce laws made by someone else, God judges according to His own law. You cannot justify your theology where God is a cruel and vindictive judge, therefore, by saying that God is just doing his job.
 
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where do you get your logic from? The wood of the trees is whats holding up your homes? Hello?

Hello? The wood that holds up my home is not a tree. That tree has ceased to exist. Now, it is a collection of other random things: the beams in my house, the paper in a book somewhere, the ashes in somebody's fireplace, etc. It is now of such a different character that it is utterly unreasonable to claim that the tree continues to exist, just as a pile of rubble is not a building, just as a human destroyed in the Gehenna is not a human.
 
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Hello? The wood that holds up my home is not a tree. That tree has ceased to exist. Now, it is a collection of other random things: the beams in my house, the paper in a book somewhere, the ashes in somebody's fireplace, etc. It is now of such a different character that it is utterly unreasonable to claim that the tree continues to exist, just as a pile of rubble is not a building, just as a human destroyed in the Gehenna is not a human.

when we Use DNA testing to prove the parents of children, are not they still human? Same with wood and trees. DNA tests say they are all trees.
 
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Huh?!?!? Where on Earth did you get that from?

You compared him to a human judge who is required by law to enforce the laws as they are written by a lawmaker. A human judge who sentences a man to death may be required to by the laws that someone else has made. God is judge and lawmaker. Unlike a human judge who is bound to enforce laws made by someone else, God judges according to His own law. You cannot justify your theology where God is a cruel and vindictive judge, therefore, by saying that God is just doing his job.

If God is his own law maker, then how can you logically state that it is illogical to torment for eternity the wicked?
 
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If you know why God allows children and innocents to suffer from EXTREME evils then tell us.

It's a big question. I'll try to answer as briefly as I can. ;)

1. There is no love without sacrifice, and there is no sacrifice without pain.
"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13)

"The LORD said to me, "Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another and is an adulteress. Love her as the LORD loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes."" (Hosea 3:1)

2. God is love.
"God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him." (1John 4:16)

"Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good. His love endures forever." (Ps 136:1)

3. Love is the motivation for redemption.
"Rise up and help us; redeem us because of your unfailing love." (Psalm 44:26)

Therefore, the purpose of everything since the beginning is for the God (who is love) to exercise His love through redemption.
"For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God." (Romans 8:20-21)
"David then said to Abishai and all his officials, “My son, who is of my own flesh, is trying to take my life. How much more, then, this Benjamite! Leave him alone; let him curse, for the Lord has told him to. It may be that the Lord will see my distress and repay me with good for the cursing I am receiving today.” (2 Sam 16:11-12)

"But Joseph said to them, “Do not fear, for am I in the place of God? As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." (Genesis 50:19-20)

Or in other words, unless we are lost, we cannot be found. Unless we are stolen, we cannot be redeemed. Unless we are hurt, we cannot be healed.
"Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."(Luke 15)

God values the process of redemption as much as the end result. Which is why He put both trees in the garden. It's why He created a world in which a Savior would be necessary.
"He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake." (1 Pet 1:20)

"Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek." (Hebrews 5:8-10)

God bless :)
 
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What purpose does it truly serve? Is there anything one person can do that is so horrible that they deserve an eternity of indefinite torture? No bible quotes please just opinions. The bible can be interpreted every which way and there are verses supporting both sides of either arguments. What purpose does an eternal hell serve? Or an afterlife for that matter. What do we accomplish by being alive after death, or more importantly what does god? Supposedly only humans are allowed this divine privilege. Perhaps other creations are considered inferior? Just curious what anyone thinks on the matter.

I dont think you are looking for an answer here. That is why you said no quoting scripture.. It is scripture that displays God's intention.. Nothing created could answer your question in stead of the word.. I suggest you read the bible as it is clear in answering any questions that man could ask.. Science tries to answer questions about God without using Gods word and look where that ended up.. We now have great scholors saying that it is right for two men or two women to mate.. .. Read the word and God will reveal His truths to you heart.. blessings and i hope that you will atleast read it for yourself..
 
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I've been asking this a lot but nobody answers me.

Do you think anybody deserves to be tortured forever?

I take the deafening silence as a 'no' - thankfully, nobody here actually think anybody at all deserve neverending suffering. Yet, many think that God is not only righteous, but also merciful, AND almighty, yet it's his will to torture us forever.

You ever had a nightmare? Now imagine never waking up from it. Welcome to Hell...

The Difference between the dream and the reality, is that the reality is your choice. I hate when people use the cheap excuse that "A Loving God will not Torment people forever, that's unthinkable!" It's unthinkable because you're just a mere human who can not fathom the ways of God. Don't even try.

We send ourselves to Hell by rejecting Truth. We get to a point in our lives that we love the Lie more than the Truth. The Truth is Eternity. We are made in the image of HE IS WHO HE IS. Therefore WE ARE.

God AUTHORED and INVENTED Eternal Life. As a Consequence there is the opposite of Eternal Life. God Created Peace, as a consequence there also exists Chaos. If Peace is Eternal, as a consequence, Chaos is also Eternal. If Peace is pleasurable, then Chaos is Painful. If you Reject Peace, you will not enter a state of silence and tranquility; of floating off into space to reunite with the One Essence. You will enter a state of Chaos, because it's either one or the other. Not both.

Almost every quantum physicist will tell you there is NO SUCH THING as Empty Space. There is no such thing as Nothing. Either we will exist in some kind of orderly existence of life peace and light or a disorderly existence of death chaos and darkness.

I would choose wisely.

But the spirit of God explains things to us in such simple ways, it is we humans who complicate things.

This version of Life and Death that we experience in this reality is only a shadow of TRUE Life and TRUE Death. And trust me, it is nothing close to what any of you think it is.

If Jesus Christ is LIFE, yet he "died", then OBVIOUSLY life is MORE than just existence. So then Death or "nonlife" is also MORE than just "nonexistence".

If Jesus Christ is Life
and You REJECTED Jesus Christ
Then you REJECTED Life

It's as simple as that.
 
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