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I assume you're aware ET was hardly a part of the early church, more around the 4th century that it became doctrine. It was at this time ET doctrine was progressed with aspects of paganism by men like Dante.
Anyway, the church felt just, in if God would torture heretics, sinners, apostates, etc...they could also be just in doing the same thing, so the church became an agent of torture for several hundred more years, after if God could do it, why couldn't they?
Do you feel the church was "just" in torturing basically anyone that went against it, thus God?
Wow! You are grasping at straws now to make your point. The fact that you can think of a worse punishment does not make the lesser punishment a reward. Could you imagine a parent who told their kids, "being grounded is a GREAT reward compared to me violently abusing you everyday"?
Okay? And this makes my point any less valid how exactly?
I would say that's your opinion. Not fact.I assume you're aware ET was hardly a part of the early church, more around the 4th century that it became doctrine. It was at this time ET doctrine was progressed with aspects of paganism by men like Dante.
How about sticking with what the NT says?Anyway, the church felt just, in if God would torture heretics, sinners, apostates, etc...they could also be just in doing the same thing, so the church became an agent of torture for several hundred more years, after if God could do it, why couldn't they?
Do you feel the church was "just" in torturing basically anyone that went against it, thus God?
Here's a thought ( I know I said I was walking away but I had forgotten to unsubscribe and I apparently want to eternally torture myself) the soul is non-corporeal right? Fire only destroys physical things right? Now we know from any of the passages on hell that the soul is concious and can feel pain right? Then how can fire ( a corporeal thing ) ever fully consume a persons soul ( a non-corporeal thing )? A little simplistic I know, but it proves a point.
May God Richly Bless you!
but they are alive, thats the point.But you don't get them back. That's the point.
Hebrews 6:18 (NASB)
18 so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.
so? what does that matter? We were talking about torture and drowning and how they were the same personality type delivering both (in a global flood)
God is the Author of Hebrews.But again, He can do what He wants. He's not limited to what the author of Hebrews thinks of Him, either.
No, we were talking about whether 5 or 10 minutes of toture was the same as 5 or ten years of torture.
God is the Author of Hebrews.
I would say that's your opinion. Not fact.
How about sticking with what the NT says?
You have a point?Another one of your consistant one liners.
Have you read this thread or others? There are several.So what does the NT say about it?
He can
but the NT says torment forever in the fire.
Are you saying that you would rather burn in Hell forever?
no, it's a reward. (in comparison)
The point is that He doesn't have to ask anyone's permission.Okay, so let's stop with the strawmen accusing people of telling God what He can and cannot do, and instead focus on the actual argument.
It proves that humans can indeed burn in the fire forever. And that God will do it.The thing is that it does say that about the beast, the devil, the false prophet, and those who worship the beast in a specific and deliberate way, and absolutely nobody else. So, to say that this passage proves that hell is a sort of default position for unredeemed sinners is frankly just plain wrong.
But you just proved it is not"debunked".Repeating the same debunked argument over and over again doesn't make it any less debunked.
So then you would choose annihilation over eternity in Hell? So then it's not really "nonsense".No, I am not saying that at all. Go back and read the post, and stop making up such nonsense.
it's the same lake of fire (you know the one where they will be there forever and ever?)
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