Why am I going to Hell in your eyes?

[Umaro]

You stated that there are billions who don't believe in Jesus. I am just saying that if you are going to make a fact statement, then prove it.

You don't know the hearts of the world and thus should shy away from making statements on what people believe.

As for your good works...

Good works do not unite you to God. God has provided a way for you to be in fellowship with him. If you really think that you can do something to unite yourself with God, then you think to highly of yourself. You are but a miserable sinner who is incapable to doing anything holy. Faith (given to you by God) is the only thing that can save you. You can reject that faith all you want but you cannot DO anything to earn your salvation.

It seems you are just trying to start an argument. I'm certain that at least 1/6 of the world is not Christian, and I don't think anyone here will disagree with me. I didn't come here to pick stupid fights on groundless claims. But, if you want me to back it up I will. The Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary (http://www.gcts.edu/ockenga/globalchristianity/resources.php) says that there are about 2,195,529,000 Christians in the world as of mid-2007. That still leaves about 4 Billion who don't accept Jesus.

And in regards to gaining entrance to heaven through my good works, I don't believe heaven exists, and I'm not trying to reach it through my actions. Someone merely said it was selfish to assume I can do good deeds without accepting Jesus, and I wanted to know why. Ghandi wasn't a Christian, and most consider him a good person.

 

[Umaro]

I didn't say that.

Why would Christ need to come to me before I can have graces? Can't the two be independent?

Isn't that kinda selfish?


It's selfish to ask for His grace, yet otherwise reject Him

Ah, I misunderstood you then. I had thought in the context you meant have the drive and motivation to do good works like the saints do, not graces as in his blessings. I apologize.

 

[Confess]

No one was trying to pick a fight. I just thought it unwise to make such a huge claim when no one really knows the faith of all people. We can assume all we want but we don't know the hearts of even the most devout pagans when they take in their last breath. The Grace of God could be revealed to them even in their last seconds on earth.

Who knows.

If you don't believe in a heaven, then why be concerned about a hell? There are more people out there who reject the way of salvation through Jesus Christ who are far better people then I could ever hope to be.

My question is ... so what. All I can do is try to be a good person, my hope in life is not bound up in how many people I give money to, or how many dogs I save or how many good deeds I do. My hope goes beyond this life.

My good deeds will come and go. I could buy them a new house, and they might only cling onto the aspect of my personality that got on their nerves. You can't please all the people all the time, just do your best for you, your family and your neighbor so that you all will inherit eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Umaro]

No one was trying to pick a fight. I just thought it unwise to make such a huge claim when no one really knows the faith of all people. We can assume all we want but we don't know the hearts of even the most devout pagans when they take in their last breath. The Grace of God could be revealed to them even in their last seconds on earth.

Who knows.

If you don't believe in a heaven, then why be concerned about a hell? There are more people out there who reject the way of salvation through Jesus Christ who are far better people then I could ever hope to be.

My question is ... so what. All I can do is try to be a good person, my hope in life is not bound up in how many people I give money to, or how many dogs I save or how many good deeds I do. My hope goes beyond this life.

My good deeds will come and go. I could buy them a new house, and they might only cling onto the aspect of my personality that got on their nerves. You can't please all the people all the time, just do your best for you, your family and your neighbor so that you all will inherit eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ.

As I had said before, I'm just tired of hearing people tell me I'm going to hell and thought I'd ask why. I'm not really concerned or anything. More just curious.

 

[calidog]

People tell me all the time I'll burn in hell for an eternity if I don't accept their particular god.

Which gods have you rejected?

 

[Misty Minister]

You support Homosexuality. If you engage in male male sexuality Yah make it clear that he will kill your soul. Check out ezk 18. It spells out clearly what is expected of you.
Hey, I did not make the rules, He did.

There is no hell of eternal torment in the Torah. There is death. I guess that makes me in favor of the annhilationist viewpoint.

 

[Zeena]

It seems you are just trying to start an argument. I'm certain that at least 1/6 of the world is not Christian, and I don't think anyone here will disagree with me. I didn't come here to pick stupid fights on groundless claims. But, if you want me to back it up I will. The Gordon Conwell Theological Seminary (http://www.gcts.edu/ockenga/globalchristianity/resources.php) says that there are about 2,195,529,000 Christians in the world as of mid-2007. That still leaves about 4 Billion who don't accept Jesus.

This is a present statistic Umaro..

Now times that by 600 generations!

 

[Umaro]

Which gods have you rejected?

I'm an atheist, I reject all gods and all faiths.

 

[Umaro]

This is a present statistic Umaro..

Now times that by 600 generations!

Oh, well excuse me for living in the present instead of 13200 years (if a generation is 22 years) from now. Odds are even if we make it that long, Christianity won't exist anymore.

 

[Zeena]

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

[heron]

God values your intent to be good. He values your intent to care for others, and establish equity in the community. He backs up your chivalry and restraint.

How do I claim to know this? Because the same laws from which we pick out the target sins show what God's intent for us is. The laws are protective.

Look at the times when God reprimanded His people. Whole towns had reputations for stealing in business deals, misguiding with false prophesy, sacrificing their children to miscellaneous gods, robbing the poor, imposing unrealistic demands on inhabitants, and encouraging oppression.

Christians tend to pick on the tiny handful of social mores, but there are so many other conditions of the law that we ignore. Sabbath rest, making others work on the Sabbath; leaving the outer tenth of our fields for the poor and foreigners to eat (work and profit leftovers), treating our work animals well, celebrating feasts that put all economic levels on one plane, staying in seclusion when we're sick.... those all take up the same amount of text real estate on the pages of the Mosiac Law.

 

[heron]

God is not jarred by evolution theories. He knows exactly how things formed and how long it took, and He knows the full extent of scientific research on the subject. The Bible contains so little about our beginnings, because the writers were not there! God is not afraid of what people will find. He knows every crumb and quark of science.

The core, the very simplest concept of the faith, is recognizing that there is a Being who had you in mind from the beginning of the earth's formation.

 

[Scorcher505]

I consider myself a good person, I have my personal inner peace, I keep all the morals that one should, I don't lie much, don't do any drugs, I'm not promiscuous (big fan of chivalry), I take care of my family, I support homosexuality, I support evolution, think prayer has no place in schools, and I reject all gods and all religions because of my reasoning and logic.

People tell me all the time I'll burn in hell for an eternity if I don't accept their particular god. Is that really enough of an offense for eternal damnation?

You are going to go to hell because no matter how much good you do, it will not overcome the wrong you have done since before you were even born. You were born rejecting God. Only through Christ can you be forgiven of that, and only through Him can you get to Heaven. All the good works in the world cannot save you.

 

[Umaro]

You are going to go to hell because no matter how much good you do, it will not overcome the wrong you have done since before you were even born. You were born rejecting God. Only through Christ can you be forgiven of that, and only through Him can you get to Heaven. All the good works in the world cannot save you.

Actually, I was a Christian until I was about twelve, when I realized the ridiculousness of it all. How am I guilty of acts from before my birth? Thatss just absurd.

 

[calidog]

You are going to go to hell because no matter how much good you do, it will not overcome the wrong you have done since before you were even born.

"before" must be a typo

 

[PETE_]

"before" must be a typo

Not a typo

Ps 51:5
5 Surely I was sinful at birth,
sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

 

[Tiberius]

Do you realise you are breaking forum rules?

I was merely saying what I thought. Which rule was I breaking?

 

[Umaro]

I was merely saying what I thought. Which rule was I breaking?

Only Christians are allowed to post in topics other than ones they create themselves. It's fairly absurd though, because when I post questions in other topics relating to the same material the posts get deleted. I can understand not letting non-Christians answer, but I don't see why you should restrict further questions from being added on.

 

[ebia]

Only Christians are allowed to post in topics other than ones they create themselves. It's fairly absurd though, because when I post questions in other topics relating to the same material the posts get deleted. I can understand not letting non-Christians answer, but I don't see why you should restrict further questions from being added on.

Neither do I, provided they don't derail the thread, but that's the rule.

 

[MikeMcK]

I consider myself a good person, I have my personal inner peace, I keep all the morals that one should, I don't lie much, don't do any drugs, I'm not promiscuous (big fan of chivalry), I take care of my family, I support homosexuality, I support evolution, think prayer has no place in schools, and I reject all gods and all religions because of my reasoning and logic.

People tell me all the time I'll burn in hell for an eternity if I don't accept their particular god. Is that really enough of an offense for eternal damnation?

Christianity doesn't teach that anyone goes to Hell for not "accepting God". In fact, we're not even told to accept God anywhere in the Bible.

If you were to die today and stand before God, what do you believe His reaction would be? Would you go to Heaven or Hell?