WHY all the great confusion about eternal security?

FreeGrace2 said: ↑
I have responded to and challenged your posts in #123, 126, 130 and 131.

How would you like me to understand your lack of any responses?

JAYPT said:

He doesnt have an answer, I challenged him prior and he ran. There is no basis for the fear he is trying to spread.

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So true!

Copperhead said: ↑
Keep in mind, the prodigal Son never lost his sonship.

BCsenior said:

Keep in mind, the prodigal son repented
and thus was forgiven.

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It's always interesting to see how much the point gets missed (or avoided).

Through forgiveness, fellowship was restored. Just as 1 John 1 teaches.

Once a son, always a son. OSAS.

Or, once saved, always saved. OSAS.

Or, once born again, never perish. 1 Pet 1:23, John 10:28

BCsenior said:

All BACs who are habitual (unrepentant) sinners ...
the ones who are deceived into believing they still
remain in Christ ... MUST REPENT and get off the
broad road to hell and get on the narrow path to heaven!

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So then, salvation is ultimately up to how one lives, not what one has believed. The deceived one is this poster.

Jesus was clear in John 10:28 about the final state of those He gives eternal life: they shall never perish.

And Jesus was just as clear about WHEN a person HAS eternal life; then they believe, per John 5:24, 6:47 and John's agreement in 1 John 5:11 and 13.

Several don't like NT verses which are quoted,
so I'll oblige them by removing the quotation marks:

Those who practice righteousness are righteous
just as He is righteous ... 1 John 3:7

Those who belong to Satan most probably
also prefer double negatives:
The children of the Devil are obvious:
whoever does NOT practice righteousness
is NOT of God ... 1 John 3:10

For those who refuse to work along with God:
Whoever fears Him and works righteousness
is accepted by Him ... Acts 10:35

For those who need to know how to live:
We who have died to sins should live for
righteousness (for practicing it) ... 1 Peter 2:24

For those who love to pursue sin:
Pursue righteousness and a godly life ... 1 Tim 6:11

For those who do NOT obey God:
Choose to obey God, which leads to
righteous living ... Romans 6:16

You would never know it in some circles, but ...
All Scripture is profitable for instruction
in righteousness ... 2 Timothy 3:16

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Why wouldn't any believer not like these great verses? But, none of them say anything about losing salvation.

All of these verses about about Christians living the Christian life, as opposed to Christians not living the Christian life.

This is exactly what Paul admonished the Ephesian believers to do in Eph 4:17 -
So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.

The Greek word for "no longer" means to STOP.

Yet, Paul NEVER suggested, much less said that salvation can be lost.

BCsenior said:

Matthew 7:
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
23 And then I will declare to them,
‘I never knew you; depart from Me,
you who practice lawlessness!’

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Did you notice what was missing from the appeal of this crowd, who wanted and expected to enter the kingdom? Faith. They appealed to their works for entrance into heaven.

Did you also notice what Jesus said to them? "I NEVER KNEW you". How could Jesus said that about anyone who had EVER believed in Him? And we know what He does for everyone who has believed in them: He gives them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

Additionally, John 3:18 and 2 Thess 2:12 prove that it's ONLY those who "never believed" who will be condemned.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

So, those who have ever believed (like the 2nd soil) cannot be described as "have not believed". They DID believe. And thus, shall never perish.

Matthew 13:
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among
the just, and cast them into the furnace of fire.
50 There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

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This is about the Great White Throne Judgment, where the ONLY REASON for being cast into the lake of fire is for not being in the book of life, which means they NEVER received the gift of eternal life, because they NEVER believed in Christ as Savior.

Real simple.

Some have been to hell and seen some "believers"
in hell, and some "believers" in outer darkness!

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Why should anyone trust the words of delusional people?

These were NOT doing the will of the Father,
but were practicing lawlessness (wickedness)
instead of practicing righteousness!

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Do you not understand what Jesus was referring to in matt 7:21 about the "will of the Father"? It wasn't about lifestyle. It was about believing in Christ and receiving eternal life.

Here is what Jesus said specifically about the will of His Father:

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”

BCsenior said:

This is a repeat of post #129 ...

Salvation is a process which is completed at death.
Please understand:
man’s co-operation is involved in his salvation.

He can choose to fall away, fall from grace,
draw back to perdition.

He can be shut out of the Kingdom of God.
He can be shut out of the New Jerusalem.
He can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
He can gain eternal death, and he can lose eternal life.

All of this is clearly stated in the NT.
Would anyone care to see some of the verses?

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Here is my response to your post #129, in post #131 -

FreeGrace2 said:

Jesus clearly said that eternal life is possessed by those who believe. There is no process.

And Jesus made that very clear in John 10:28. Once given the gift of eternal life, the recipient shall never perish.

Meaning, man must receive it.

No different than a drowning person grabbing a life buoy thrown by someone. Does the drowning person credit himself for grabbing on to the life buoy, or does he rightly and properly credit the person who threw him the life buoy and hauled him in?

Anyone who would take credit for grabbing the life buoy and claiming that they saved themselves would be an idiot.

Falling from grace has NOT been shown to be leaving salvation.

Go ahead and keep repeating your mantra. But that doesn't prove your claims, or make them true, no matter how many times you repeat them.

What does prove a claim is to quote a verse that actually says what you clalim.

Can you do that? You haven't, so far.

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As we all know, there are NO verses that support these claims:

"He can be shut out of the Kingdom of God.
He can be shut out of the New Jerusalem.
He can be blotted out of the Book of Life.
He can gain eternal death, and he can lose eternal life.

All of this is clearly stated in the NT.
Would anyone care to see some of the verses?"

But go ahead and provide any verse that actually says any of these 4 claims above.

Oh, I must add, claims #1-3 are applicable only for those who have not ever believed.

So, to be clear, you need to show any verse that makes these claims against anyone who HAS believed in Christ and received the free gift of eternal life.

The 4th claim is preposterous in light of what Jesus said in John 10:28, the verse that you have refused to deal with.

Because it refutes the claim that saved person (possessor of eternal life) can perish.

Your claim is directly AGAINST the words of Jesus.

According to your own views, that should result in loss of salvation all by itself.

So, merely claiming and teaching that salvation can be lost is a reason for losing salvation, for your theology to be consistent.

But, we'll see just how consistent it is.