Why Adventist need not be ashamed, and wear their Adventist icon in the forum!

[mva1985]

The icon change represents a change of theology. The Three Angels represent our unique endtime message. The open book, flame and a cross conveys a generic message that attempts to conform and to be accepted into the main stream christianity.

+1 for DL

 

[mva1985]

And you actually believe this?

And you don't think that it represents some sort of change. I always felt that the three angels flying had a special meaning just like the name of our church told something about us.

It was unique and when people saw it they could say well what does that mean? Jump in and give them a message to the end time people living here on earth. That is our purpose as a church is it not?

 

[sentipente]

The three little bugs?

 

[reddogs]

And you don't think that it represents some sort of change. I always felt that the three angels flying had a special meaning just like the name of our church told something about us.

It was unique and when people saw it they could say well what does that mean? Jump in and give them a message to the end time people living here on earth. That is our purpose as a church is it not?

When the Yankees change their emblem, is there anything dark or sinister about it.........me thinks not...

 

[sentipente]

MVA, do you remember when the chuch had no logo?

 

[NightEternal]

Last I checked, the 3 angel's message was still being proclaimed in verity. In fact, I heard Mark Finley doing just that on TV yesterday.

I don't know where these ideas come from!

 

[StormyOne]

MVA, do you remember when the chuch had no logo?

probably too young to remember that....

 

[tall73]

Not much to it. Someone who was looking at the old logo on a church asked what the three bugs were for.

 

[PeacefulSDA]

This comment made me think of this reality..... The church "progressed" from the 3 flying angels logo(and well they should have since there are 6 angels in Rev 14) and adopted the open bible with a flame logo and some people think they should have kept the 3 angels logo....

Is it possible that some people will never make progress or change their views regardless of the information presented to them? Could it be that some of us are like the jews of old who just could not believe that Jesus was the messiah, and as such preferred to remain in their traditions?

Duh! And they're still waiting and watching even though the Messiah has left the building.

 

[PeacefulSDA]

The icon change represents a change of theology. The Three Angels represent our unique endtime message. The open book, flame and a cross conveys a generic message that attempts to conform and to be accepted into the main stream christianity.

Yes, we have a unique end-time message but it is only a nugget in the rest of our truth. I see it rather like a banquet and dessert. Everyone needs to eat a good meal while looking forward to the pie. It helps balance the metabolism.

 

[OntheDL]

Yes, we have a unique end-time message but it is only a nugget in the rest of our truth. I see it rather like a banquet and dessert. Everyone needs to eat a good meal while looking forward to the pie. It helps balance the metabolism.

Hmmm...wasn't Jesus and His disciples considered radical extremists?

In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the Word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import--the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.--9T 19 (1909). {LDE 45.3}

I think I'd rather be faithful to the calls of seperation God commissioned His endtime people in Revelation 10 & 11 than to be accepted into the ecumenical movement.

 

[sentipente]

In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers.

Where were they before they were sent? You make it sound like they came from Krypton or somewhere up there.

 

[PeacefulSDA]

Hmmm...wasn't Jesus and His disciples considered radical extremists?

In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the Word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import--the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention.--9T 19 (1909). {LDE 45.3}

I think I'd rather be faithful to the calls of seperation God commissioned His endtime people in Revelation 10 & 11 than to be accepted into the ecumenical movement.

When you replied above to my post about banquets and desserts, you quoted EGW, taking pains to underline the last sentences. By this you gave the impression, intended or not, that the Three Angels' Messages, out of all of scripture, is the only thing that is to absorb our attention. You are using this EGW statement as a "proof text".

Please pardon my large use of space here, but I must show the whole context of that quote:

Called to Be Witnesses

In a special sense Seventh-day Adventists have been set in the world as watchmen and light bearers. To them has been entrusted the last warning for a perishing world. On them is shining wonderful light from the word of God. They have been given a work of the most solemn import--the proclamation of the first, second, and third angels' messages. There is no other work of so great importance. They are to allow nothing else to absorb their attention. {9T 19.1}

The most solemn truths ever entrusted to mortals have been given us to proclaim to the world. The proclamation of these truths is to be our work. The world is to be warned, and God's people are to be true to the trust committed to them. They are not to engage in speculation, neither are they to enter into business enterprises with unbelievers; for this would hinder them in their God-given work. {9T 19.2}


Christ says of His people: "Ye are the light of the world." Matthew 5:14. It is not a small matter that the counsels and plans of God have been so clearly opened to us. It is a wonderful privilege to be able to understand the will of God as revealed in the sure word of prophecy. This places on us a heavy responsibility. God expects us to impart to others the knowledge that He has given us. It is His purpose that divine and human instrumentalities shall unite in the proclamation of the warning message. {9T 19.3}


So far as his opportunities extend, everyone who has received the light of truth is under the same responsibility as was the prophet of Israel to whom came the word: "Son of man, I have set thee a watchman unto the house of Israel; therefore thou shalt hear the word at My mouth, and warn them from Me. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul." Ezekiel 33:7-9. {9T 19.4}


Are we to wait until the fulfillment of the prophecies of the end before we say anything concerning them? Of what value will our words be then? Shall we wait until God's judgments fall upon the transgressor before we tell him how to avoid them? Where is our faith in the word of God? Must we see things foretold come to pass before we will believe what He has said? In clear, distinct rays light has come to us, showing us that the great day of the Lord is near at hand, "even at the doors." Let us read and understand before it is too late. {9T 20.1}


We are to be consecrated channels, through which the heavenly life is to flow to others. The Holy Spirit is to animate and pervade the whole church, purifying and cementing hearts. Those who have been buried with Christ in baptism are to rise to newness of life, giving a living representation of the life of Christ. Upon us is laid a sacred charge. The commission has been given us: "Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always even unto the end of the world." Matthew 28:19, 20, margin. You are dedicated to the work of making known the gospel of salvation. Heaven's perfection is to be your power. {9T 20.2}

Did you notice that in this one chapter, EGW quoted Matthew twice and Ezekiel as well? Please don't mistake singleness of purpose with exclusion of scripture.

Banquet/Pie - this isn't to cozy up to the world but to understand our God.

 

[OntheDL]

When you replied above to my post about banquets and desserts, you quoted EGW, taking pains to underline the last sentences. By this you gave the impression, intended or not, that the Three Angels' Messages, out of all of scripture, is the only thing that is to absorb our attention. You are using this EGW statement as a "proof text".

I'm sorry you got the impression that I was using the statement as a proof text.

I merely underlined for those who accept the counsel of the SOP to stress our mission statement.

Revelation 14:6 refers to the 3 angels message as the everlasting gospel. For those who understand the 3AM know these messages aren't just defined in Revelation 14. They had been given throughout the bible and they contain the calls of repentance and holiness to every generation.

Did you notice that in this one chapter, EGW quoted Matthew twice and Ezekiel as well? Please don't mistake singleness of purpose with exclusion of scripture.

Banquet/Pie - this isn't to cozy up to the world but to understand our God.

The quoted verses from Matthew and Ezekiel have special endtime applications. In another word, the message in the harvest time takes on a special urgency and precedence as oppose to the sowing time.

The present truth message has always been 'repent and prepare to meet thy God'. The 3AM is the same message but with emphasis on sanctification and seperation.

From an Adventist world view, the opposing movement is calling for unification and minimization of the differences. The change of adventist icon is just one of many things that pointed to the compromise that GC leadership has made to comform to this movement.

 

[bellanegra1]

Divide and conquer eh?

Interesting how we LOVE to be sooooooooooo special....

You know....... BETTER than the heathen folk.... those lost and poor souls that are not as fortunate as the HOLIER and SET ASIDE bAdventist...... I mean Adventist Remnant....

Sooooooooo, let us start the feast....

After all, we need not mingle with the ungodly... It is merely a Jonahic stance we need take...

We will go through the doctrinalization and proclaim to the what they need do....

But deep down inside we KNOW WE alone will be separated from the tear...

We will spend thousand years going over why they MUST burn in hell in order for ONLY US to enjoy a heathen free HEAVEN....

Anyone have a REAL clue as to those to whom HE says "depart from me, I never knew you"?

The fact that THEY "thaught" they were doing HIS will and working for HIM and in HIS name did they kill folk and sent them to burn..... oooooops I mean fed folk, clothed folk and visited folk......

I have found out who HE is really talking to....

No wonder it says that those that "made it" trew thier crowns down.... if they could they would have done much more than that....

Once one realizes what has been done for one's rescue NOTHING is worth more than that....

 

[OntheDL]

Divide and conquer eh?

Interesting how we LOVE to be sooooooooooo special....

You know....... BETTER than the heathen folk.... those lost and poor souls that are not as fortunate as the HOLIER and SET ASIDE bAdventist...... I mean Adventist Remnant....

Sooooooooo, let us start the feast....

After all, we need not mingle with the ungodly... It is merely a Jonahic stance we need take...

We will go through the doctrinalization and proclaim to the what they need do....

But deep down inside we KNOW WE alone will be separated from the tear...

We will spend thousand years going over why they MUST burn in hell in order for ONLY US to enjoy a heathen free HEAVEN....

Anyone have a REAL clue as to those to whom HE says "depart from me, I never knew you"?

The fact that THEY "thaught" they were doing HIS will and working for HIM and in HIS name did they kill folk and sent them to burn..... oooooops I mean fed folk, clothed folk and visited folk......

I have found out who HE is really talking to....

No wonder it says that those that "made it" trew thier crowns down.... if they could they would have done much more than that....

Once one realizes what has been done for one's rescue NOTHING is worth more than that....

Every generation that God has called out has been a special people.

Deuterronomy 14:2 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Maybe you don't think there is anything special to be God's people, but the bible calls them heirs.

Galatians 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

I don't know about you, but I chose to claim that promise and to try to fulfill the duty comes with it with His help.

BTW, FYI please stop bolding all your message for better readability. It seemed as if you were shouting.

 

[sentipente]

BTW, FYI please stop bolding all your message for better readability. It seemed as if you were shouting.

I don't think it's bolding. It may just be the size of the font.

 

[reddogs]

Divide and conquer eh?

Interesting how we LOVE to be sooooooooooo special....

You know....... BETTER than the heathen folk.... those lost and poor souls that are not as fortunate as the HOLIER and SET ASIDE bAdventist...... I mean Adventist Remnant....

Sooooooooo, let us start the feast....

After all, we need not mingle with the ungodly... It is merely a Jonahic stance we need take...

We will go through the doctrinalization and proclaim to the what they need do....

But deep down inside we KNOW WE alone will be separated from the tear...

We will spend thousand years going over why they MUST burn in hell in order for ONLY US to enjoy a heathen free HEAVEN....

Anyone have a REAL clue as to those to whom HE says "depart from me, I never knew you"?

The fact that THEY "thaught" they were doing HIS will and working for HIM and in HIS name did they kill folk and sent them to burn..... oooooops I mean fed folk, clothed folk and visited folk......

I have found out who HE is really talking to....

No wonder it says that those that "made it" trew thier crowns down.... if they could they would have done much more than that....

Once one realizes what has been done for one's rescue NOTHING is worth more than that....

God decides who He shows mercy too, and if it is those who believe and accept what He says, who are we to challenge that......

 

[NightEternal]

Some people need to define themselves by a label. That is not a problem in and of itself. Where it gets divisive is when they need to use that label and all that it means to them as a ruler by which to judge others who desire to wear that same label. That, in my opinion, is simply a manifestation of a deep bigotry that sullies the true meaning of the symbol.

I agree.

 

[NightEternal]

I am not bearing the Adventist icon anymore because, as a result of GC copyright infringement complaints, CF had to change it from the official, nice, open book/flame logo to the plain, ugly SDA one.

http://christianforums.com/showpost.php?p=41769886&postcount=6

If we can ever get it changed back to the official one, I will use it. Until then, I will sport the black cross proudly.