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why according to atheism a natural process + time= a robot

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by xianghua, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. pitabread

    pitabread Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the context. That's the thing about the English language. Words take on different meanings depending on context.

    This is why arguments based solely in semantics usually don't go anywhere.
     
  2. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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    so a natural process can create a car?
     
  3. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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    if they dont believe in higher power then they also dont believe that nature was designed and thus they do have claims about the origins of the universe.
     
  4. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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    so what you think? do you agree that when someone move his hand is the result of a natural process or a directed one?
     
  5. Bungle_Bear

    Bungle_Bear Whoot!

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    I love how you make a big issue of the fact English is "not my native", yet you persist in engaging in arguments predicated on detailed understandings of semantics and linguistics, particularly in respect to English.

    Your arguments are weak and childish. But it's always fun to watch you flounder and fail at every turn to win even a single point.
     
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  6. pitabread

    pitabread Well-Known Member

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    I already answered this. It depends on the context.

    You always ask the same questions over and over as though you expect different answers each time. Why do you keep doing that?
     
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  7. Speedwell

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    Yes, their "claim" is basically the same as the claim of science in that respect: "We don't know."
     
  8. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Since you're literally stuck at square A of this conversation, and are unwilling to engage with my attempts to explore the issue, I'm afraid you're on your own. People who took the time to read my replies (post 15 in particular) understand my position perfectly.
     
  9. Lobster Johnson

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    Yes, for a given value of 'natural'.

    Atheists also don't believe that nature was not designed.

    (It wasn't though, I mean come on, it's a mess.)

    Both.
     
  10. Belk

    Belk Senior Member Supporter

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    No they do not. Perhaps you should listen to us instead of assigning us our position so you can knock down straw men? If you can't even get the basics right why should we listen to the rest of your argument?
     
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  11. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    No, you're putting the cart before the horse, one is demonstrably a process that requires a mind behind it, the other does not show that in the slightest in spite of arguments to the contrary

    No one's claiming a house or a robot or a plane comes into existence naturally, but a hermit crab's shell or a bird's wings can and have come about through natural processes that don't entail a mind behind them to make sense
     
  12. Kenny'sID

    Kenny'sID Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Please be more specific on where I was wrong by showing me what part of my post (the post you replied to) was in error?
     
  13. Astrophile

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    Is a bird's nest or a beaver's dam natural, artificial or supernatural?
     
  14. Bungle_Bear

    Bungle_Bear Whoot!

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    Where you went wrong was in agreeing that atheism has a position on origins, or indeed anything other than the existence of a deity.
     
  15. muichimotsu

    muichimotsu I Spit On Perfection

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    Here, you're utilizing an overly literal and loose interpretation of the expression that leads to the conclusion you want to assign to atheism: just because nature formed humans over millions of years through evolutionary processes that doesn't mean the tools we created also came about through natural processes (especially because we can demonstrate we made them and they don't occur in nature). It's a compositional fallacy, very basic one to observe too
     
  16. durangodawood

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    Yes.

    Once natural processes have resulted in a creative intelligence, then all kinds of novel objects are possible.
     
  17. Ken-1122

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    No there is nothing about atheism that says anything about the Universe being made by a natural process
     
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