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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by JM, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:16 PM.

  1. JM

    JM Contra Mundum Supporter

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    Convince me the 1,000 years of Revelation must be understood as 1,000 literal years, please.

    Yours in the Lord,

    jm
     
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  2. HTacianas

    HTacianas Well-Known Member

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    The Church decided long ago that the 1000 years of the Revelation is not a literal one thousand years. The Nicene Creed was modified to read "whose kingdom shall have no end" regarding the kingdom of Christ, and the idea of a future millennium was abrogated.

    To propose or to teach a future millennium is an error and is contrary to the Creed.
     
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  3. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    They are not literal years.

    The angel = Greek for messenger

    the chain = the message (gospel)

    the 1000 years = The binding of Satan

    Satan loosed = the nations deceived and the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.
     
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  4. JM

    JM Contra Mundum Supporter

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    Great folks, I agree it's not literal...I was asking for people to convince me it WAS literal.

    Thanks,

    jm
     
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  5. DavidPT

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    Since I take it be literal, can you convince me that it can't be literal?

    What is one of the reasons I am convinced it has to be literal? For one thing, all throughout the OT and NT, when a cardinal number is followed by years, those amount of years are always taken as literal years every single time. That is the pattern. The question is, is 1000 a cardinal number or not? If it is, and that when it is followed by years, this same pattern has to apply here as well.

    At least two ways to debunk this. 1---show that it is not always the case throughout the OT and NT, when a cardinal number is followed by years, those amount of years are always taken as literal years every single time. 2---show that 1000 is not a cardinal number.
     
  6. DavidPT

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    the Greek word for chain is halusis. All of the below are where this same Greek word is also used. Which verses below support your theory above?

    Mark 5:4, Acts 12:7
    Eph 6:20
    Mark 5:3, Luke 8:29, Acts 12:6, Acts 21:33
    Acts 28:20, 2 Ti 1:16
     
  7. shilohsfoal

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    Did you really believe the Lords sabbath is a 24 hour period?

    2 Peter 3:8 Beloved, do not let this one thing escape your notice: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

    You know ,theres a reason why the body of Christ rose the third day and not the second or forth but very few people would catch on.

    Luke 13:32 But Jesus replied, "Go tell that fox, 'Look, I will keep driving out demons and healing people today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will reach My goal.'

    The time is very near.
     
  8. Handmaid for Jesus

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    That is too funny. If you have already been persuaded that it is not literal, why do you want to be convinced otherwise?
     
  9. shilohsfoal

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    If you pay close attention ,the kingdom has no end.
    After 1000 years Gog invades israel but is destroyed by God.
    This does not bring an,end to the kingdom.It brought an end to Gog.
     
  10. HTacianas

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    If you pay close attention, the Church abrogated the idea of a future millennium. It is not a part of Christianity.
     
  11. DavidPT

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    Show where Paul, or Peter, etc, who would have been of the church as well, abrogated the idea of a future millennium. Their position on these things count as well.
     
  12. DavidPT

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    I suspect he has no genuine desire to be convinced. That would be like me starting a thread entitled---convince me the Pretrib rapture is correct. And since I am already convinced it is not correct, it would basically be meaning that I'm playing mindgames with Pretribbers by starting a thread like that, giving the false impression that I'm open to the idea when I'm really not.
     
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  13. shilohsfoal

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    The church?

    Which chuch would that be?
    There are millions of churches of hundreds of denominations.
    Exactly which one are you talking about?
    I need a good laugh.
     
  14. HTacianas

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    Peter and Paul had no opinion on the millennium.
     
  15. HTacianas

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    I am talking about the Church present at the Council of Constantinople. The Church that determined what the bible is. The Church that wrote the Nicene Creed.
     
  16. shilohsfoal

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    He only has one problem.
    He cant convince anyone the scripture is false.

    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

    He can think he is playing with people who believe what is written but in the end it is still written and he cant change that fact.
     
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  18. HTacianas

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    It is not God who is speaking, it is you.

    Jesus Christ gave to his apostles the authority to lead and make decisions for the Church. That authority was handed down to their successors. Those same successors were the ones who decided what is and is not scripture. Those successors certainly had the ability to interpret that which they chose to be scripture.

    At the abrogation of chiliasm the Creed was modified to remove any idea of a future millennium from the Church.
     
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    Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

    So you believe i said the above verse?
     
  20. HTacianas

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    I believe that your interpretation of Rev 20 is of a literal 1000 years. I also believe that you have never studied the chiliasm controversy in the early Church nor have you studied the canons of the ecumenical councils.

    Please don't be upset by this, but I do not accept your authority over the authority of the Church. Your interpretation of the Revelation is at odds with the interpretation of the Church.
     
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