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Whose Resurrection Doctrine should we believe?

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Why is it that you can recognize that 1 Cor 15:54 relates to the time of the GWTJ, which I generally agree with, but can't recognize that it also relates to the time Jesus returns, which would mean that the GWTJ will take place when He returns (as portrayed in Matt 25:31-46)?
Because there will be a thousand year gap between the Return and the GWT Judgment.
As mentioned six times in Rev 20 and prophesied by Hosea 6:2, and His reward. as Psalms 2 and 110 tell us.
The Return is fully described in Revelation 19:11-21. There is no general Judgment then. Matthew 25:31-33 is of the nations.
Do you think that the ones who belong to Christ who will be resurrected when He returns are different than the ones who will be resurrected at the last trumpet? If so, why? And, if so, who are the resurrected people that 1 Cor 15:23 refers to and who are the resurrected people that 1 Cor 15:52 refers to?
Revelation 20:4 could not be clearer; ONLY the GT martyrs are brought back to life, at the Return. NOT given immortality yet.

At the GWT, Rev 20:11-15, everyone who has ever lived, incl those still alive; will stand before God in Judgment. Some will receive immortality, most will go into the Lake of Fire.

1 Cor 15:23 can only refer to the GT martyrs. Otherwise a Biblical anomaly is made.
1 Cor 15:52 those people changed; are ones whose names were found in the Book of Life.

Your AMill belief has no Biblical support, it contradicts much scripture and prophecy, as well as logic and common sense.
 
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I have added the quote from Rev 21:4, where it says: Death will be no more.
This is paralleled by 1 Cor 15:54, proving they are the same event.

Revelation 20 is all about the Millennium and then the GWT Judgment.
There is nothing in Rev 20:1-10 about anyone becoming instantly immortal.


1 Corinthians 15:52-57 involves a trumpet, the last trumpet. As to trumpets, the NT makes it crystal clear that they only involve events pertaining to this present age, not an age after this present age instead. If you disagree, then prove in Revelation that since these events involve trumpets, that some of them are not involving events pertaining to this present age. Prove in Matthew 24:31 that the great sounding of that trumpet does not involve any events pertaining to this present age. Prove in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that the trump of God is not involving any events pertaining to this present age. That is the pattern, trumpets involve events pertaining to this age.

Thinking that 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 does not follow this same set pattern is like thinking, when a cardinal number is followed by years in the Bible, the fact that they are always meaning the literal amount specified, thus the set pattern throughout the Bible, but if that number happens to be a thousand, it no longer is following this set pattern. What this adds up to in these cases is cherry picking, not sticking to the set patterns instead.
 
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These are good points which I already agree with. The earth is not the pit, meaning it's surface. The pit is below the surface, though. And if satan is below the surface during the thousand years, why would the surface above need to be desolate? That's assuming a literal pit of some kind. I see no reason why a literal pit can't be meant. There don't seem to be any locusts plaguing the earth at the moment, meaning the ones recorded in Revelation 9, whatever they might be. Maybe the reason why is because they are literally being detained somewhere in the meantime. Revelation 9 records that it is the bottomless pit they are being detained in.

One is to believe spirits of wicked humans can be detained somewhere upon death while awaiting a resurrection, but fallen angels, demons, or whatever, these can't be detained anywhere? I wonder how they are going to remain confined in the LOF once they are cast in if beings like this can't be literally confined anywhere?
Jude 1:6

"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Does not Jude point out they are bound until the 5th Trumpet judgment?

Revelation 12 is not the battle way back before Adam sinned and the angels cast out then. That is covered in Jude. Revelation 12 is the second time after they were released in the 5th Trumpet. It seems after 5 months on earth, they have made it all the way to heaven again, and have to be fought back by Michael and the angels in heaven.
 
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I have added the quote from Rev 21:4, where it says: Death will be no more.
This is paralleled by 1 Cor 15:54, proving they are the same event.

Revelation 20 is all about the Millennium and then the GWT Judgment.
There is nothing in Rev 20:1-10 about anyone becoming instantly immortal.
Paul says the church puts on immortality.

John says the church puts on robes of white.

Revelation 6:11

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

This verse is symbolic of the church putting on immortality, that is being glorified as a corporate group. The 5th and 6th Seal go hand in hand as the Second Coming from heaven's perspective.

Paul put the dead in Christ first. John put the dead in Christ first. Paul puts those alive and remain on earth as raptured. John's rapture and Second Coming is from a view in Paradise looking down on those left behind, the 6th Seal. The church is not hiding from God on the throne and the Lamb. The whole church is glorified at the same time. The glorified church then has to wait until after the Tribulation, while the angels, the 144k, and the Lamb gather the final harvest during the Trumpets and Thunders. The 7th Trumpet is the week long celebration that declares the end of Daniel's 70th week. Revelation 10:7

"But in the days (a week) of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished (Daniel 9:24-27), as he hath declared to his servants the prophets."

That mystery that no one agrees about, the definition of the 70th week. Whatever man accepts, it will not be finished until the 7th Trumpet stops sounding.
 
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1 Corinthians 15:52-57 involves a trumpet, the last trumpet. As to trumpets, the NT makes it crystal clear that they only involve events pertaining to this present age, not an age after this present age instead. If you disagree, then prove in Revelation that since these events involve trumpets, that some of them are not involving events pertaining to this present age. Prove in Matthew 24:31 that the great sounding of that trumpet does not involve any events pertaining to this present age. Prove in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 that the trump of God is not involving any events pertaining to this present age. That is the pattern, trumpets involve events pertaining to this age.
The Last Trump has to be the final blast, the one that calls up the dead for Judgment; the Great White Throne Judgment, which comes after the Millennium reign of King Jesus. Revelation 20:11-15
That there will be other Trumpet blasts, is a given and does not mean they must all happen in this present age.
Thinking that 1 Corinthians 15:52-57 does not follow this same set pattern is like thinking, when a cardinal number is followed by years in the Bible, the fact that they are always meaning the literal amount specified, thus the set pattern throughout the Bible, but if that number happens to be a thousand, it no longer is following this set pattern. What this adds up to in these cases is cherry picking, not sticking to the set patterns instead.
This seems like gibberish to me.
Paul is making a prophesy, he describes the sequence, which finishes with Eternity, when Death will be no more. Revelation 21:4

The thousand years mentioned six times in Rev 20, is literal, it will be God's reward to Jesus, the fulfilment of the prophesies that confused the Jews at His first Advent. The reign of King Jesus, in power and glory.
I look forward to it, why don't you?
This verse is symbolic of the church putting on immortality, that is being glorified as a corporate group. The 5th and 6th Seal go hand in hand as the Second Coming from heaven's perspective.
Timtoflyaway nonsense.
The Fifth Seal is all the martyrs since Stephen and still being added to.
The Sixth Seal is the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath, the forthcoming world changer. From our perspective!
 
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The thousand years mentioned six times in Rev 20, is literal, it will be God's reward to Jesus, the fulfilment of the prophesies that confused the Jews at His first Advent. The reign of King Jesus, in power and glory.
I look forward to it, why don't you?

I am already enjoying it. Jesus is already enjoying his reward when thousands / millions come to have faith in him and worship him in such challenging times.
 
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I am already enjoying it. Jesus is already enjoying his reward when thousands / millions come to have faith in him and worship him in such challenging times.


During Amil's proposed thousand years there are wars, hunger, murders, earthquakes, deception, pretty much every thing under the sun, IOW, nothing has changed much over the past 2000 years, it just gets worse is all. During Premil's proposed thousand years none of those things plague it. Yet, somehow Amil's think their proposed thousand years are far better than Premil's proposed thousand years. I'm not seeing how myself.

But let's don't confuse the little season after the thousand years with that of the thousand years by bringing that up as an argument against Premil. That is meaning after the thousand years, not during. Amil's proposed thousand years are basically no different than satan's little season after the thousand years. It all looks the same to me, if assuming your proposed thousand years and satan's little season that follows it. For example. During your proposed thousand years is deception still possible? Is it still possible during satan's little season?

Maybe it's just me but I would think being bound and loosed are polar opposites, not the same thing instead.
 
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It seems after 5 months on earth, they have made it all the way to heaven again, and have to be fought back by Michael and the angels in heaven.


I don't know about this part, but everything you said prior to that I tend to be in agreement with you about.
 
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During Amil's proposed thousand years there are wars, hunger, murders, earthquakes, deception, pretty much every thing under the sun, IOW, nothing has changed much over the past 2000 years, it just gets worse is all.

What do you mean nothing has changed?

A number of people that nobody can count get saved David. They harbor a blessed hope due to Jesus current reign , and this hope is realized with his second appearing.


[ Quote DavidPT ]
During Premil's proposed thousand years none of those things plague it. Yet, somehow Amil's think their proposed thousand years are far better than Premil's proposed thousand years. I'm not seeing how myself. ]


Unbelief and a failure to teach millennial children the way they should go plagues this future period of yours for 1000 ( thousand) years... under a canopy of a Glorified Christ and a Glorified assembly of saints.

Not even by sight is this future millennium a success.
Never going to be acceptable to God anyway without faith in what you do not see. lol


13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth. 14 It was for this He called you through our gospel, that you may gain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, 17 comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word.
 
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It's totally obvious that Jesus' resurrection is the first resurrection:

First (Greek) πρῶτον prōton:-

Acts 26:23
"That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first (πρῶτον prōton) that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles."

Revelation 20:6
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first (πρῶτον prōton) resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

New Testament concepts regarding death and resurrection:

1. Adam's death, which came to all mankind.
2. Christ's Resurrection. He IS the Resurrection and the life. Those who are raised are raised with (synegeírō) Christ.
3. The second death.

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Agreed!
 
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the term " spiritual 'resurrection' " does not apply to any passages or verses in the New Testament which talk about the resurrection.
.. unless Revelation 20:4-6 is the only exception in the entire New Testament.

If (IF) the resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 is literal, then it either took place in the days following the death of Nero on June 9th, A.D 68, or it's still coming.

Or Revelation 20:4-6 is the only exception in the entire New Testament.

Agnosmillennialist signing off.

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I have to disagree.

Romans 6:4 says, “like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Colossians 2:12 again concurs, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Man is spiritually dead prior to conversion; he must therefore be spiritually raised. The spiritual life that we enter into in this life by the resurrection power of Christ will be the very power that brings us into the final resurrection state.

The spiritual resurrection described here is the first resurrection that man requires to inherit everlasting life –which results in the fact that he is spared the awful reality of the second death. The death that is described in this passage is obviously not natural death; as we assuredly know that even the godliest believer must experience such an event. It is rather eternal spiritual death. Before conversion man is alive unto sin and dead unto God, upon salvation the opposite is true. Man’s whole constitution is changed as we are “baptized into Jesus Christ” and therefore “baptized into his death.” Significantly, the new birth that results, which is described in Romans 6:4 as a “newness of life,” is expressly associated with, and likened to, the resurrection of Christ. The old man dies and the new man rises in supernatural resurrection power. The exact wording reads, “like (or) hoósper (or) ‘exactly like’ as Christ was raised up from the dead … hoútoos (or) ‘in like manner’ (or) ‘on this fashion’ we also should walk in newness of life.”

This resurrection comes through Christ alone. That’s why Jesus said, in John 11:25, “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." Again, the means by which God performs this is by the first resurrection, which brings life. It is called “the first resurrection” because it precedes the physical resurrection. Anyway, it is the resurrection of the spirit that causes the new birth and frees us from eternal damnation. Revelation 20:6 says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.” The resurrection in view here therefore is clearly not a physical resurrection; it must therefore be a spiritual or a figurative resurrection. The fact is a non-physical resurrection occurs within the believer upon salvation. This is the first resurrection that man requires to inherit everlasting life – which results in the fact that he is spared the awful reality of the second death. This undoubtedly occurs prior to the second physical resurrection.

Romans 6:11-13 continues, confirming that we are looking at a resurrection in this life that proceeds the physical resurrection at Christ’s Coming, saying, “Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.”

These comments confirm that the resurrection in view, and the “newness of life” that results, relates specifically to the Christian’s conversion and the resulting resurrection life, besides, the movement from a state of death to life whether physical or spiritual always involves resurrection. Through this spiritual resurrection, Christians are supernaturally made “alive from the dead” and become “alive unto God through Jesus Christ.” They consequently yield their “members as instruments of righteousness unto God,” in this life as a proof of their salvation.

Romans 6:22-23 continues, “now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death (the second death); but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

It is worth noting, sin and spiritual death are carefully coupled together here, whereas, in definite contrast, a Christian’s “fruit unto holiness” and “everlasting life” are closely connected. The antithesis of being dead in our sins is “being made free from sin” and alive unto God. Now In the case of salvation, the human being has a dead area within him before salvation known as the spirit. The body is alive and the soul is alive but the spiritual part of him – his spirit – is dead. The remedy for this approaching death and eternal punishment is expressly “eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

The unbeliever’s body is alive unto sin, but his spirit is dead unto the Spirit and the things of the Spirit. Our spirit is the spiritual man within us that is dead prior to salvation. Man, therefore needs divine intervention to raise him from his awful spiritual condition and eternal death (the second death). 2 Corinthians 4:11-13 declares, “For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. So then death worketh in us, but life in you. We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak.”

I hear wild unsubstantiated statements like this from some Premils. Not surprising it is not supported by actual Scripture. Yet when clear equivocal evidence to the contrary is presented Premils avoid it or dismiss it with their short dismissive sound bites (as if that is enough). Sorry. I will re-present evidence below that I have discovered that disproves what you are saying. Please address the texts and arguments.

Before I respond to your contention, let me remind you (and the reader), no one denies the future physical resurrection of the just. Amils and Postmils believe all mankind (elect and wicked) will be raised when Jesus comes where they will be finally and eternally judged. The second coming spells the end of time, corruption and this current earth as we know it.
 
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the term " spiritual 'resurrection' " does not apply to any passages or verses in the New Testament which talk about the resurrection.

I have to disagree.

Greek words for resurrection

So if a Christian was spiritually dead before salvation and they are now spiritually alive, by what means does Scripture say we are brought from death into newness of life?

The only way that we can transition from death to life (both spiritually and physically) is by way of resurrection. There is no other way! This is demonstrated many times in Scripture in regard to both spiritual and physical resurrection.

Two resurrections result for the believer from Christ’s one resurrection. Man needs both spiritually redeemed and physically redeemed. When one gets saved they are spiritually redeemed. But they are not physically redeemed until resurrection day. His “first resurrection” secured both resurrections for those who will put their faith in Christ.

Romans 6:3-6 says, “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up [Gr. egeiro] from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection [Gr. anastasis]: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.”

There are two Greek words used in Romans 6:3-10 that are used to describe the resurrection of Christ, and that are significantly in turn purposely equated to the believer and the new birth experience; they are egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and anastasis (Strong’s 386). Such a correlation between these two diverse types of resurrection (physical and spiritual) is only secured through Christ’s sinless life, atoning death and glorious resurrection, enabling the believer to walk in resurrection power and “newness of life.” The believer here is therefore supernaturally transferred from a condition of death into one of life. This undoubtedly relates (1) to a spiritual state, and, (2), to the here in now. It cannot relate to the physical resurrection which is still future and which occurs at the second coming of Christ.

The first word egeiro (Strong’s 1453) is used many times throughout the New Testament to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. These references are found in Matthew 14:2, 16:21, 17:9, 23, 20:19, 26:32, 27:63, 64, 28:6, 7, Mark 14:28, 16:6, 14, Luke 1:69, 9:22, 24:6, 34, John 2:19, 20, 22, 21:14, Acts 3:15, 4:10, 5:30, 10:40, 13:30, 37, Romans 4:24, 25, 6:4, 9, 7:4, 8:11, 34, 10:9, 1 Corinthians 6:14, 15:4, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 2 Corinthians 4:14, 5:15, Galatians 1:1, Ephesians 1:20, Colossians 2:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 1 Peter 1:21.

Similarly, the other Greek word anastasis (Strong’s 386), which is identified several times in Scripture with the new birth spiritual resurrection is also used several times to describe the Lord’s physical resurrection. It is derived from the root word anistemi (Strong’s 450). These are outlined in Mark 8:31, 9:31, 10:34, 16:9, Luke 18:33, 24:7, 26, John 20:9, Acts 2:24, 31, 32, 3:26, 4:2, 33, 10:41, 13:33, 34, 17:3, 18, 26:23, Romans 15:12, Philippians 3:10 1 Thessalonians 4:14, 1 Peter 1:3, 3:21.

The same two Greek words that are repeatedly employed to describe Christ’s physical resurrection from the dead are also used in Ephesians 5:14 to describe the new birth experience of the believer. The sinner being commanded: Awake [Gr. egeiro] thou that sleepest, and arise [Gr. anastasis] from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light (Ephesians 5:14).

The resurrection portrayed here is again not a physical resurrection, but, a spiritual resurrection in which the recipient (the sinner) receives the joy of salvation. Through this spiritual resurrection, the believer receives the “light” of God and is therefore spared the awful sentence of eternal wrath. The verb “arise” in this text specifically relates to salvation and is a metaphor describing the spiritual resurrection that Christians undergo when they are lifted from the grave of sin. It also demonstrates the blessing that follows this resurrection. The true child of God receives the blessed light of God’s dear Son the Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 2:34 also records, “Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again [Gr. anastasis] (or resurrecting) of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against.”

Matthew Henry explains in relation to this passage, “He (Jesus) is set for the rising again of many in Israel, that is, for the conversion of many to God that are dead and buried in sin, and for the consolation of many in God that are sunk and lost in sorrow and despair. Those whom he is set for the fall of may be the same with those whom he is set for the rising again of. He is set eis ptosin kai anastasin - for their fall, in order to their rising again; to humble and abase them, and bring them off from all confidence in themselves, that they may be exalted by relying on Christ; he wounds and then heals, Paul falls, and rises again”

The believer is raised from the grave of his sin and spiritual death at conversion, which of necessity must be a spiritual resurrection. Paul says in 2 Corinthians 1:8-10, “For we would not, brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even of life: But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth [Gr. egeiro] the dead: Who delivered us (past tense) from so great a death, and doth deliver (present tense): in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us (future tense).”

This whole passage is concentrated upon the great eternal provision of spiritual deliverance. The word “raiseth” in this reading is a present active verb, therefore it is talking about a resurrection that is happening now, rather than the future physical resurrection. This is obviously speaking of spiritual resurrection, because it alone has been ongoing since Christ’s first (physical) resurrection. This will, of course, culminate with the general physical resurrection at His return.

The same word repeatedly applied to Christ’s physical resurrection in the New Testament – egeiro – is here again used spiritually to describe the spiritual resurrection of the believer from the reality of spiritual death. It shows a present realisation and victorious triumph over that state in this testimony of Paul. This reading does not at all indicate that the believer will not experience natural death, no, but rather, that he wouldn’t experience spiritual death. It positively outlines that through the spiritual (or first) resurrection the believer is rescued from entering into the awful realisation of the second death (eternal punishment).

Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ [Gr. sunegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised [Gr. egeiro] him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

This explicit passage describes the act of salvation as a resurrection feat. Moreover, the raising of the forgiven child of God in resurrection power in salvation is in turn carefully identified with, and connected to, Christ’s glorious resurrection. It confirms that our hearts “are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ” in salvation, and likens this supernatural work to a death, burial and resurrection. This reading shows how the child of God is “buried with him,” “quickened together with him,” and finally “risen with him.”

The wording relating to this spiritual resurrection – “ye are risen with him” – is translated from the Greek word sunegeiro (Strong’s 4891), which is derived from the coupling of two other Greek words sun (Strong’s 4862) – denoting union and togetherness, and egeiro (Strong’s 1453), which means to awaken or resurrect from the dead. This word egeiro is constantly used in the New Testament in reference to Christ’s physical resurrection.

Also, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the Greek word suzoopoieo (Strong’s 4806), which is derived from combining the words sun (Strong’s 4862) with zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227), meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. Hence, we can see the deep meaning of this word in the aforementioned passage and the essential work that is perfected in the penitent sinner in regeneration.

Many new birth passages in Scripture are surrounded in resurrection terminology. Notwithstanding, they are not in any way referring to a physical resurrection, although, often, using the same type of language that accompanies literal ones. These references repeatedly describe spiritually dead men being spiritually made alive by being first spiritually quickened and then spiritually resurrected from the grave of their sin. This reading plainly outlines how the penitent sinner is raised with the exact same supernatural power that raised Christ at His resurrection, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Colossians 3:1-4 goes on to add, If ‘ye then be risen with [Gr. sunegeiro] Christ (speaking in the present tense about those who have experienced spiritual resurrection in Christ), seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear (speaking of the second coming), then shall ye also appear with him in glory (referring to the physical resurrection which is future tense).”

There are two distinct resurrections outlined in this reading, the first being spiritual and the second being physical. The initial resurrection of necessity sees a spiritual change, whereas, the second resurrection of necessity requires a physical change. Interestingly, the Greek word sunegeiro is again used here to describe the spiritual resurrection of the penitent sinner through union with Christ. No one could surely dismiss the current reality of the resurrection outlined at the beginning of the above passage. Moreover, those that have experienced the aforementioned resurrection are then instructed to “seek” and “set their affection” upon “those things which are above” – spiritual actions that are to be performed in this scene of time. The key to experiencing the reality of this current resurrected life is found in the concluding part of the reading that our earthly life is “hid with Christ in God.”

Ephesians 2:1-6 also says, you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, ‘hath quickened us together’ [Gr. suzoopoieo] with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) And hath ‘raised us up together’ [Gr. sunegeiro] and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.”

The same two Greek words found in Colossians 2:10-14 are also used in this reading to describe the spiritual resurrection. Again, the word rendered “quickened” here in Ephesians 2 is the Greek word suzoopoieo, which indicates a uniting to Christ in mystical union by means of being spiritually revitalized and made alive. The Greek word sunegeiro carries the meaning of union with Christ through resurrection. It is also in the aorist active demonstrating that it relates to the present. All sane theologians know that is not therefore not talking about physical resurrection.

Romans 4:17 says, speaking of that great father of the faith Abraham, “(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth [Gr. zoopoieo] the dead, and calleth those things which be not (unbelieving Gentiles) as though they were (the people of God).”

Again, the word rendered “quickened” in the above passage is translated from the original word zoopoieo meaning to make alive, give life and revitalize. It is the same word used in Ephesians 2:5 and Colossians 3:1, only it is prefixed there by the Greek word sun in those passages. This passage is describing how God breathed spiritual life into the once darkened Gentile nations, and brought them into a personal relationship with the living God. Those within the nations that received God’s provision for sin and uncleanness were then immediately brought from a condition of spiritual death unto a state of spiritual life through the precious work of Christ at Calvary. This quickening of the Gentiles is therefore plainly not just a future hope but a joyous present reality.

In the new birth, the nature of Christ is imputed into the believer thus raising him up from a spiritual grave into a real living communion with God. I John 3:14 succinctly explains, We know that we have passed from death unto life.” How? This text makes it clear that the death that is conquered here in the-here-and-now is assuredly not physical but spiritual death. The sinner that believes (and is thus born again of the Spirit of God) has entered into the realisation of the first resurrection in this life and will one day be physically raised at the second resurrection unto life.

Conclusion

We have seen how the Greek word anastasis (Strongs 386), used in Revelation 20 to describe the first resurrection, is related to the new birth in several New Testament passages. We have seen how its root meaning anistemi (Strongs 450) is also related to the new birth experience. We have seen how other similar resurrection words like egeiro (Strong’s 1453) and zoopoíeo (Strong’s 2227) are also identified with the first spiritual resurrection.
 
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What do you mean nothing has changed?

A number of people that nobody can count get saved David.

That was bound to happen regardless, don't you think? Or do you think had not satan been bound first this coming to Christ over the past 2000 years would have never happened on a grand scale like this? Meaning, satan is so powerful, unless he is bound first he is powerful enough to stop the spreading of the gospel to the nations. When I would think instead, the gospel spreads throughout the nations regardless what satan and his minions might try to do to prevent that from happening. This scenario makes God the more powerful one. Your scenario makes God the less powerful one, because had not satan been bound first, satan would have succeeded in preventing the gospel spreading to all the nations, thus not as many coming to Christ in the end of it all.

Like I have pointed out in other posts, maybe other threads, assuming Amil, the number that is as the sand of the sea that satan deceives after the thousand years, are the ones he has already deceived during the thousand years, unless Amils want to claim that he deceives most of the saved after the thousand years, thus the formally saved(were saved during the thousand years--NOSAS) coming against the still saved(continue to remain saved after the thousand years).

As to satan being bound, Amils might have a valid point if that was meaning all the way up until he is cast into the LOF. But it is not meaning that. It is meaning until he is loosed. When he is bound that has to be the polar opposite of what he does when he is loosed. If he is bound so that Gentiles are no longer deceived, thus can come to Christ, does this mean that when he is loosed, it is so that Gentiles can no longer come to Christ? Which Gentiles, though? The same Gentiles he already has deceived during the thousand years, if assuming Amil??
 
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I have to disagree.

Greek words for resurrection
I listed them all. Without exception, they are all referring to the resurrection of the body only.
So if a Christian was spiritually dead before salvation and they are now spiritually alive, by what means does Scripture say we are brought from death into newness of life?

Colossians 2:10-14 says, “ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ‘ye are risen with him’ [Gr. sunegeiro] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised [Gr. egeiro] him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”
I'll come to suzoopoieo in a minute, with a scripture quote.

Without exception, in each and ever verse it is used, syneigeiro is referring to being bodily raised with Christ's bodily resurrection.

Without exception, the following words all refer only to the resurrection of the body in each and every verse they are found:

1. Noun: ἀνάστασις anástasis (“The Resurrection”)
A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):--raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

Noun: ἔγερσις égersis:
a resurgence (from death):--resurrection.

Verb: ἐγείρω egeírō: *
To waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence):--awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

συνεγείρω (synegeírō): Risen with Christ

Verb: ἀνίστημι anístēmi: *
To stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

zōopoiéō:

"But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what [σῶμα sōma] body do they come? Foolish one!

What you sow is not [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] made alive unless it dies." (1 Corinthians 15:35-36)

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him,

1 Corinthians 15:36

zōopoiéō: made alive with Christ by the Spirit with (suzoopoieo) Christ.

"It is the Spirit that makes alive [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63)

As you can see from the plain meaning of the above verse, zōopoiéō is referring to the spiritual regeneration that resurrected Christ from the dead, and our own spiritual "making alive" with Christ.

"That which is gennáō (born) of the flesh is flesh; and that which is gennáō (born) of pneûma (the Spirit) is pneûma.” (John 3:6).

1 Peter 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has begotten us again [anagennáō] to a living hope (Greek: záō elpís) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

A. The word translated into "begotten us again" in the above verse is anagennáō. It's a combination of the words gennáō (beget) and aná (again):

B. Living hope (záō elpís): The word záō means to live, and the word elpís means to anticipate.

But without exception, the following words are referring only to the resurrection of the body in each and every verse they are found:

1. Noun: ἀνάστασις anástasis (“The Resurrection”)
A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):--raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

Noun: ἔγερσις égersis:
a resurgence (from death):--resurrection.

Verb: ἐγείρω egeírō: *
To waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence):--awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

συνεγείρω (synegeírō): Risen with Christ

Verb: ἀνίστημι anístēmi: *
To stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

By using different words, the New Testament consistently and without fail separates the spiritual regeneration (making alive by the Spirit with Christ) from the concept of bodily resurrection (synegeiro: with Christ's bodily resurrection).
 
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I am already enjoying it. Jesus is already enjoying his reward when thousands / millions come to have faith in him and worship him in such challenging times.
Statistics show the opposite. Most nations are now secular in fact, only nominally Christian. The 10 Commandments are ignored and LBGT rules!

Get real; obviously Jesus is not ruling the nations with His rod of iron, now. But He will, as Psalms 2:7-9 and Revelation 20 tells us.
 
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I listed them all. Without exception, they are all referring to the resurrection of the body only.

I'll come to suzoopoieo in a minute, with a scripture quote.

Without exception, in each and ever verse it is used, syneigeiro is referring to being bodily raised with Christ's bodily resurrection.

Without exception, the following words all refer only to the resurrection of the body in each and every verse they are found:

1. Noun: ἀνάστασις anástasis (“The Resurrection”)
A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):--raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

Noun: ἔγερσις égersis:
a resurgence (from death):--resurrection.

Verb: ἐγείρω egeírō: *
To waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence):--awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

συνεγείρω (synegeírō): Risen with Christ

Verb: ἀνίστημι anístēmi: *
To stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

zōopoiéō:

"But someone will say, How are the dead raised up, and with what [σῶμα sōma] body do they come? Foolish one!

What you sow is not [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] made alive unless it dies." (1 Corinthians 15:35-36)

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened [Gr. suzoopoieo] together with him,

1 Corinthians 15:36

zōopoiéō: made alive with Christ by the Spirit with (suzoopoieo) Christ.

"It is the Spirit that makes alive [ζωοποιέω zōopoiéō] the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63)

As you can see from the plain meaning of the above verse, zōopoiéō is referring to the spiritual regeneration that resurrected Christ from the dead, and our own spiritual "making alive" with Christ.

"That which is gennáō (born) of the flesh is flesh; and that which is gennáō (born) of pneûma (the Spirit) is pneûma.” (John 3:6).

1 Peter 1:3 says, "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has begotten us again [anagennáō] to a living hope (Greek: záō elpís) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead."

A. The word translated into "begotten us again" in the above verse is anagennáō. It's a combination of the words gennáō (beget) and aná (again):

B. Living hope (záō elpís): The word záō means to live, and the word elpís means to anticipate.

But without exception, the following words are referring only to the resurrection of the body in each and every verse they are found:

1. Noun: ἀνάστασις anástasis (“The Resurrection”)
A standing up again, i.e. (literally) a resurrection from death (individual, genitive case or by implication, (its author)), or (figuratively) a (moral) recovery (of spiritual truth):--raised to life again, resurrection, rise from the dead, that should rise, rising again.

Noun: ἔγερσις égersis:
a resurgence (from death):--resurrection.

Verb: ἐγείρω egeírō: *
To waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying, from disease, from death; or figuratively, from obscurity, inactivity, ruins, nonexistence):--awake, lift (up), raise (again, up), rear up, (a-)rise (again, up), stand, take up.

συνεγείρω (synegeírō): Risen with Christ

Verb: ἀνίστημι anístēmi: *
To stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).

By using different words, the New Testament consistently and without fail separates the spiritual regeneration (making alive by the Spirit with Christ) from the concept of bodily resurrection (synegeiro: with Christ's bodily resurrection).

Of course there are 2 resurrections. The first is spiritual and the second is physical.

You totally sidestepped all my Scriptures, points and arguments.
 
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Of course there are 2 resurrections. The first is spiritual and the second is physical.

You totally sidestepped all my Scriptures, points and arguments.


Where is the physical resurrection of the saved recorded in Revelation 20 since you disagree that the first resurrection is meaning that?
 
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Statistics show the opposite. Most nations are now secular in fact, only nominally Christian. The 10 Commandments are ignored and LBGT rules!

Get real; obviously Jesus is not ruling the nations with His rod of iron, now. But He will, as Psalms 2:7-9 and Revelation 20 tells us.

This is classic Premil doom-and-gloom misinformation and false propaganda. It totally undermines the wonderful global success of the great commission over this past 2000 years with the invasion of Satan's territory, the enlightenment of the Gentiles and the liberation of untold million from their awful darkened state.

Many of us are glad to be free of this Premil error.
 
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Where is the physical resurrection of the saved recorded in Revelation 20 since you disagree that the first resurrection is meaning that?

The dead are raised before the GWT. Read it. That is the general resurrection before the second coming.
 
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Of course there are 2 resurrections. The first is spiritual and the second is physical.

You totally sidestepped all my Scriptures, points and arguments.
I didn't. You totally sidestepped the fact that there are not 2 resurrections in scripture. Only one. And it's a bodily resurrection. The word resurrection never refers to spiritual regeneration in the New Testament. Not once. Ever. If I took the trouble of actually reading each and every verse which I posted in my OP (in order to see what it's referring to), then unless you have done the same, you can't drop all the statements you did because it's immediately obvious that you have not done so, because if you do actually read every N.T verse talking about the resurrection, then you will be able to see for yourself that every one of those many verses I listed (which is a complete list of all N.T verses talking about resurrection) is referring to the bodily resurrection only.

The word "resurrection" is not associated by the authors of the New Testament with the spiritual regeneration that must precede it - it's only associated with the resurrection of the body.

I made it easy for you by posting each and every verse in my OP in this thread.
 
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