Who's idea was it to disburse immigrants all over the U.S.?

[iluvatar5150]

What are other solutions than automation or motivation to have more own children? Even hypothetically.

Immigration.

BTW, you do not need a nursing home if you have your own children.

That's nonsense.

Your claim assumes that these children would have the time, money, space, and physical ability to house and care for ailing parents. Many elderly folks need a significant amount of attention, especially if they have complicated health problems. For children who have to work to survive, and/or who have their own children to care for, this can be more burden than they could handle. Even housing is a problem, because most houses are not designed for people with limited mobility and retrofits are expensive. If you live in an old house like I do, and want grandma to move in, your options are likely 1.) remodeling the bathroom ($20k+), 2.) adding a ground floor addition ($100k+), or 3.) buying a bigger house ($LooooL).

There were no nursing homes till relatively recently.

Until relatively recently, people often died in their 50's and 60's.

The need for commercial nursing is a combination of industrialized individualism and of deteriorating health span in the same countries (old people need a lot of help).

If your proposal is just to let the old people die earlier, then.... I suppose the math checks out.

 

[trophy33]

Immigration.

Not sustainable.

That's nonsense.

Its not nonsense, just say you do not agree. But it cannot be nonsense when it worked for millenia and still works in many countries today. Its a choice to live in the way we live today, its not a natural law.

Until relatively recently, people often died in their 50's and 60's.

Not true, actually, people often die in 50's and 60's today, because of obesity, heart attacks and similar. People in rural society few hundreds years ago lived commonly in multigenerational homes, till 80's, 90's and more. Just check how old people live for example in Asia even today.

If your proposal is just to let the old people die earlier, then.... I suppose the math checks out.

If you want to have a conversation (you quoted me), try to keep it constructive and without such logical fallacies like strawman. Not interested to continue in this style, if you have nothing useful/interesting to say.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Not true, actually, people often die in 50's and 60's today, because of obesity, heart attacks and similar. People in rural society few hundreds years ago lived commonly in multigenerational homes, till 80's, 90's and more. Just check how old people live for example in Asia even today.

Mean life expectancy at age 15 (i.e. stripping out childhood mortality) has increased significantly over the last couple hundred years. Someone making it out of their teens in 1900 would have, on average, lived to their early-mid 60's. Now the average is roughly the mid 70's.

Changing life expectancy throughout history

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Life Expectancy

When and why did the average age at which people die increase and how can we make further progress against early death?

ourworldindata.org

https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/03/Life-expectancy-by-age-in-the-UK-1700-to-2013-800x532.png

In the 1850's, less than 10% of people made it to age 80. In 1930, it was around 20%. Now, over 60% do. Just in the 20 years from 1991-2011, that number increased about 40%. Over that 20 year period, the number of people making it to 90 roughly doubled.

https://assets.ourworldindata.org/uploads/2021/03/Survival-Curves-UK-Period-measure-1536x1066.jpg

(I have no idea why so much of this data comes from England & Wales. What I've seen of US trends follows similar curves, with the absolute values being a couple years lower)

 

[GaryAnderson]

Just going by the question in the title of this thread... I have to say Oprah.

"You get an immigrant"... "And you get an immigrant"... "Everyone gets an immigrant"!!!!!

^^^ This is the answer right here.

 

[timewerx]

Aren't the original white settlers in the American Continent also illegal immigrants?

Because they took possession of the lands with violence and deception of the Native Americans.

Who are you say the land is yours because you bought it? Would buying from a thief or robber makes it officially yours if you present your case to God?

So aren't some of you being hypocrites?

And according to the Bible, be good to foreigners because you all once were....Worse, your forefathers, took possession of the land with violence and deceit. So why complain when your ancestors did the same thing or even worse.

 

[trophy33]

Aren't the original white settlers in the American Continent also illegal immigrants?

Because they took possession of the lands with violence and deception of the Native Americans.

Who are you say the land is yours because you bought it? Would buying from a thief or robber makes it officially yours if you present your case to God?

So aren't some of you being hypocrites?

And according to the Bible, be good to foreigners because you all once were....Worse, your forefathers, took possession of the land with violence and deceit. So why complain when your ancestors did the same thing or even worse.

Immigration is not so much about who owns the land as it is about integrating new people in the society living in a specific area. Those immigrants are not migrating for land, but (mostly) for economic reasons, better laws, infrastructure, quality of life etc.

 

[timewerx]

Immigration is not so much about who owns the land as it is about integrating new people in the society living in a specific area.

The white settlers took over Native American lands and the US Gov't forced the Native Americans into the reservations.

That's not immigration but a military occupation.

Then US Gov't tried to force the Western culture into the Natives - Assimilation.

Your ancestors did far worse than the "illegal immigrants" are doing today. In fact, whites have no right to be living in American soil save for the Native Americans and the African Americans (because they went here forcibly as slaves).

Since the ancestors of Mexicans have originally lived in the American continent, they have absolutely more right to live in the land that USA now occupies than the Whites.

What the whites only have is paper and documentation of land ownership which was original made through deceit of the natives and thus null and void to the eyes of the Lord.

Unless you're going to convince me that the whites have the right to take the lands of the original settlers and force them into reservations. It's ironic that these "Christian Settlers" used the evil system of the world that Jesus spoken against to forcibly make the land theirs.

Like that other thread about "Christianity failing in USA". USA never had Christianity to begin with. Rather they used religion to advance political agendas and that's evil.

 

[YorkieGal]

The white settlers took over Native American lands and the US Gov't forced the Native Americans into the reservations.

That's not immigration but a military occupation.

Then US Gov't tried to force the Western culture into the Natives - Assimilation.

Your ancestors did far worse than the "illegal immigrants" are doing today. In fact, whites have no right to be living in American soil save for the Native Americans and the African Americans (because they went here forcibly as slaves).

Since the ancestors of Mexicans have originally lived in the American continent, they have absolutely more right to live in the land that USA now occupies than the Whites.

What the whites only have is paper and documentation of land ownership which was original made through deceit of the natives and thus null and void to the eyes of the Lord.

Unless you're going to convince me that the whites have the right to take the lands of the original settlers and force them into reservations. It's ironic that these "Christian Settlers" used the evil system of the world that Jesus spoken against to forcibly make the land theirs.

Like that other thread about "Christianity failing in USA". USA never had Christianity to begin with. Rather they used religion to advance political agendas and that's evil.

Unlike Elizabeth Warren, I'm a true member of the Cherokee nation.

So many people romanticize the story of the Indians, as though they accomplished nothing in life but being opressesed by the US government, and diminish the responsiblity and accountability of how indians interacted with the US government as well as within and outside of their own tribes.

It's a boring story. There is not one single Indian who thinks that white Americans shouldn't be on 'their' land. People who are not native like to beat a dead horse, over and over, when it is a dead subject for the actual tribal members who do not even hold the same view.

I wish people would just stop trying to cause even more division. There is enough. We don't need extra.

 

[trophy33]

The white settlers took over Native American lands and the US Gov't forced the Native Americans into the reservations.

That's not immigration but a military occupation.

Then US Gov't tried to force the Western culture into the Natives - Assimilation.

Your ancestors did far worse than the "illegal immigrants" are doing today. In fact, whites have no right to be living in American soil save for the Native Americans and the African Americans (because they went here forcibly as slaves).

Since the ancestors of Mexicans have originally lived in the American continent, they have absolutely more right to live in the land that USA now occupies than the Whites.

What the whites only have is paper and documentation of land ownership which was original made through deceit of the natives and thus null and void to the eyes of the Lord.

Unless you're going to convince me that the whites have the right to take the lands of the original settlers and force them into reservations. It's ironic that these "Christian Settlers" used the evil system of the world that Jesus spoken against to forcibly make the land theirs.

Like that other thread about "Christianity failing in USA". USA never had Christianity to begin with. Rather they used religion to advance political agendas and that's evil.

Again, today's immigration crisis has nothing to do with owning land. It has everything do to with developed societies to be better than underdeveloped ones.

Those people from poor countries do not go to USA/EU/Canada/Australia to own land, but to get welfare benefits, better healthcare, to get a job, to live under better laws etc. Its the "white" society they want, not the land.

 

[timewerx]

Those people from poor countries do not go to USA/EU/Canada/Australia to own land, but to get welfare benefits, better healthcare, to get a job, to live under better laws etc. Its the "white" society they want, not the land.

It's a mutually beneficial relationship in many cases and in many cases, companies in these rich countries directly hire workers from poor countries.

 

[trophy33]

It's a mutually beneficial relationship in many cases and in many cases, companies in these rich countries directly hire workers from poor countries.

Yes, thats the legal, steady, controlled immigration, which does not pose a problem for the most of time. But even this is not sustainable forever.

 

[oikonomia]

I'm still trying to figure out if Mexicans crossed the border or that the border crossed them.

 

[Desk trauma]

I'm still trying to figure out if Mexicans crossed the border or that the border crossed them.

They crossed the boarder.