WHO WILL REIGN WITH CHRIST ?

[oikonomia]

In your post #32 you say that Rev 3:15 is the B O C !

How do you INTERPRET Rev 15 says because I know your works , , that thou art NEITHER COLD nor HOT ,

All the audience of the seven letters to the seven churches are members of the mystical Body of Christ.
None of those letters are addessed to unbelievers.

Sloppy human beings MAY mistakenly think an unbeliever is a member of the Christian church.
But Christ makes no such mistakes.

"I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish you were cold or hot."

As many as Christ loves He rebukes, AS He is rebuking the lukewarm Laodicean church.
Of course He would rather that they not be wishy - washy - on the fence - not fervent nor completely cold.

"As many as I love I rebuke and discipline; be zealous therefore and repent." (v.19)

But since they are lukewarm they receive His rebuke of love.
Whether those hearing the rebuke repent or not is their responsibility.
Those who HEED His rebuke are those who overcome and will be rewarded.

"He who overcomes, to him I will give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne." (v.21)

Those who do not heed and repent but remain lukewarm will miss this reward.
But they themselves will still be saved though they suffer this loss. (1 Cor. 3:15)

For Him to spew them out of His mouth does not mean the loss of eternal salvation.
It means the loss of reward for overcoming.

"So because are lukewarm neither hot nor cold, I am about to spew you out of My mouth." (v.16)

This is not to revoke their eternal redemption. It is to reduce their enjoyment of His rich fellowship, mutual feasting with them, and the grantinhg of them a reward.

Verse 16 says , because thou art Lukewarm , and neither COLD or HOT , I will SPUE thee out of my MOUTH .

Your thoughts , that parts of the B O C can be SPUE OUT , do you agree ??

dan p

The Body is to express a full grown man.
If in the process of their growing into a full grown man, along the way, they can be disciplined.

All the discipline mentioned in the seven letters, no matter what is mentioned, concerns the loss of REWARD (especially in the millennium). All the rewards mentioned in the seven letters, no matter what is mentioned, concerning gaining a REWARD (especially in the millennium).

There is nothing forbidding Christ to apply needed discipline, correction, adjustment, chastizement during the millennium to those who are ALSO members of the mystical Body of Christ.

One more thing. For Christ to say He is on the outside aknd knocking to be let in means He is really outside of the church there.
It is up to individuals of the church to hear His knocking, repent of their lukewarmness, and allow Him to come in an feast with them mutually.

"Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him and dine with him and he with Me." (v.20)

Sometimes evangelists use this verse to apply to unbelievers opening the door of thier heart to let the Lord come in to save them.
This is a good application of the passage. But the interpretation is better understood that the Lord is on the outside of the door to the church there. And individuals who open to His knocking will allow Him to come into the church life. And they will have enjoyment of feasting and HE ALSO will have such enjoyment in a mutual way - "I will come in to him and dine with him and he with Me."

 

[Marilyn C]

In your post #32 you say that Rev 3:15 is the B O C !

How do you INTERPRET Rev 15 says because I know your works , , that thou art NEITHER COLD nor HOT ,

Verse 16 says , because thou art Lukewarm , and neither COLD or HOT , I will SPUE thee out of my MOUTH .

Your thoughts , that parts of the B O C can be SPUE OUT , do you agree ??

dan p

`Spewed out ` as in not in the Body of Christ, (& its glorious inheritance) however as they go through the tribulation those people will be able to turn to God through the great difficulties coming on the world. They will be part of the great multitude that no one can count. Their inheritance is the new earth. (Rev. 21: 24)

 

[Dan Perez]

`Spewed out ` as in not in the Body of Christ, (& its glorious inheritance) however as they go through the tribulation those people will be able to turn to God through the great difficulties coming on the world. They will be part of the great multitude that no one can count. Their inheritance is the new earth. (Rev. 21: 24)

Then you believe that the BODY OF CHRIST will be seen as a NATIONS ?

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

Then you believe that the BODY OF CHRIST will be seen vrse as NATIONS ?

dan p

Not sure what `vrse` means. And no, I don`t believe the Body of Christ will be seen by anyone on earth.

 

[Dan Perez]

Not sure what `vrse` means. And no, I don`t believe the Body of Christ will be seen by anyone on earth.

And meant that the BODY OF CHRIST will be seen as a NATION .

Israel and Judah are seen as NATIONS , not the BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

And meant that the BODY OF CHRIST will be seen as a NATION .

Israel and Judah are seen as NATIONS , not the BODY OF CHRIST !!

dan p

We are a heavenly nation but not one of this earth. We are a spiritual body of people set together by God. (1 Cor. 12: 18)

 

[AntiVillain]

What if I don't want to reign?

 

[Dan Perez]

What if I don't want to reign?

I believe that your STANDING in the heavenlies will depend on 1 Cor 3:6 if you PLANTING what Paul PLANTED and what you are WATERING .

By what Paul wrote in 1 Cor 3:5 that what you build on the FOUNDATION that He laid .

If you build on that Pauline foundation , GOLD , SLIVER and COSTLY STONES , YOU will receive a REWARD , BUT if you build WOOD , GRASS , STRAW and if it burns up by FIRE you will suffer LOSS , verse 14 and 15 , says what you will receive , and there are many CROWNS that we can win .

dan p

 

[oikonomia]

What if I don't want to reign?

You do not have to.
You may choose to be defeated or not care for what the Lord Jesus wants for you.

He took the nails to the feet and the nails to the hands for us to reign in resurrection life with Him,both in this age and in the one to come.
You may choose to show your gratitude for His sacrifice by deciding to be reigned over instead, by your old nature defeated.

Do you think that is a loving response to Jesus who poured out His life for you?

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Gal. 2:20)

 

[AntiVillain]

You do not have to.
You may choose to be defeated or not care for what the Lord Jesus wants for you.

He took the nails to the feet and the nails to the hands for us to reign in resurrection life with Him,both in this age and in the one to come.
You may choose to show your gratitude for His sacrifice by deciding to be reigned over instead, by your old nature defeated.

Do you think that is a loving response to Jesus who poured out His life for you?

I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. (Gal. 2:20)

I meant the literal, "over cities" kind of reigning.

 

[Dan Perez]

We are a heavenly nation but not one of this earth. We are a spiritual body of people set together by God. (1 Cor. 12: 18)

So , write a verse to that effect and I can study , as 1 Cor 12:18 does not have a Greek for NATION ?

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

So , write a verse to that effect and I can study , as 1 Cor 12:18 does not have a Greek for NATION ?

dan p

THE BODY OF CHRIST`S INHERITANCE IS IN HEAVEN.

Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)

(New King James)

 

[Dan Perez]

THE BODY OF CHRIST`S INHERITANCE IS IN HEAVEN.

Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)

(New King James)



I believe that 1peter 1:4 is speaking to Israel as Israel will reign on the earth !!

The BODY OF CHRIST will GOVERN the INIVERSE and ANGELS as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 !!

That is how I see it !!

Do you agree ?

Or disagree ?

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

The BODY OF CHRIST will GOVERN the INIVERSE and ANGELS as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 6:2 and 3 !!

That is how I see it !!

Do you agree ?

Or disagree ?

dan p

Yes, and be creating with the Lord, from the third heaven.

 

[oikonomia]

I meant the literal, "over cities" kind of reigning.

Today it is regning over the fallen self.
Tomorrow that will translate on reigning over other things.
Do you understand?

Today it is reigning in the Spirit over the fallen self.
In the millennium that will amplify into reigning FOR the Lord over His possessions - which possessions in the whole earth.

Observe: His faithful servants were in the church age over a few things.
They are rewarded then to be over all His possessions.

Blessed is that slave whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Truly I tell you that he will set him over all his possessions. (Luke 12:44)

Now we lovers of Jesus have to consider not just what we want, but what our Lord wants.
He wants to reward the servants to co-reign with Him then in the kingdom age as they have co-reigned in the Holy Spirit with Him in the age of grace.

And when he came back, having received the kingdom, he commanded that those slaves to whom he had given the money should be called to him so that he might know what they had gained by doing business.
And the first appeared, saying, Master, your mina has gained ten minas.
And he said to him, Well done, good slave. Because you have become faithful in the least, have authority over ten cities.
And the second came, saying, Your mina, master, has made five minas.
And he said to this one as well, And you, be over five cities. (Luke 19:15-19)

Today, our reigning must be over our temper, our anxiety, our jealously, our lust, our replacing God with idols of any kind.
Today our reigning must be over divisiveness, over the works of the flesh, over self pity, over anger, etc. etc.
Today our reigning must be over apathy for orthers to serve them with the Christ that we live.
Today this is our reigning in the Holy Spirit being empowered by Jesus over things of the old life.

Then it is His desire that the faithful "over a few things" will be reign with Him over the earth.
Mind you He has a 1,000 year period to restore things on earth under His kingdom.
As we are empowered by Grace in this age, we will be empowered by Him to manage such responsibilities.
We need not fear.

If you consider that we must grit our teeth and boss people around of COURSE you may think - "Hey, I have no desire to reign over anybody."
Do not worry about this.
Learn to love the Lord, speaking to Him, praising Him, and serving His hungry children with the Jesus YOU enjoy.
Don't worry about taking on administration of cities or towns in the next age.
Just enjoy the supplying presence of Jesus NOW to reign over your old fallen self - with endurance and patience and with others to help.

Hebrews says we are TASTING the powers of the coming age. He will empower and equip and supply and furnish for whatever the need is.
Praise Him.

And have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, (Hebrews 6:5)

And remember, it is the one who serves who is the one who is chief among the others. (Luke 22:27)

And He said to them, The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who have authority over them are called benefactors.
But you shall not be so; but let the greatest among you become like the youngest, and the one who leads like the one who serves.
For who is greater, the one who reclines at table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at table? But I am in your midst as the one who serves.

 

[oikonomia]

THE BODY OF CHRIST`S INHERITANCE IS IN HEAVEN.

I would take this to mean because JESUS is there in heaven, everything associated with blessing in Him is there.

I would understand the following wonderful passages to me where Jesus is is all pur riches, hope, treasure IN HIM.

Our inheritance, our hope, our place, our citizenship, all of which are IN HEAVEN.

`...to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you.` (1 Peter 1: 4 )

` ...because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of truth..`(Col. 1: 5)

` ...and raised us up together and made to sit in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.`(Eph. 2: 6)

` For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly await for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.` (Phil. 3: 20)

(New King James)

If we are seen as RETREATING forever to Heaven, this is not a victory but cause for the Devil to laugh.
The battle has been that His will be done ON EARTH . . . as it is in Heaven.

You know John saw "a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev. 21:1).
And the symbolism of New Jerusalem COMING DOWN certainly means His reign, glory, and expression of God in man is coming down to the earth. Am I right?

" . . . showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
having the glory of God. " (See Rev. 21:10,11)

We Christians do not want to remain in Heaven when EVERYTHING of Christ and His glorious city Bride/Wife is descending down to the earth.
We would want to be with Him.
He and His Wife/Temple/City New Jerusalem are "coming down out of heaven."

This is the greatest glory to God and the biggest shame to the Devil. That is that Christ is glorified forever on earth and in the new heaven AND new earth.

 

[Dan Perez]

I would take this to mean because JESUS is there in heaven, everything associated with blessing in Him is there.

I would understand the following wonderful passages to me where Jesus is is all pur riches, hope, treasure IN HIM.

If we are seen as RETREATING forever to Heaven, this is not a victory but cause for the Devil to laugh.
The battle has been that His will be done ON EARTH . . . as it is in Heaven.

You know John saw "a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev. 21:1).
And the symbolism of New Jerusalem COMING DOWN certainly means His reign, glory, and expression of God in man is coming down to the earth. Am I right?

" . . . showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
having the glory of God. " (See Rev. 21:10,11)

We Christians do not want to remain in Heaven when EVERYTHING of Christ and His glorious city Bride/Wife is descending down to the earth.
We would want to be with Him.
He and His Wife/Temple/City New Jerusalem are "coming down out of heaven."

This is the greatest glory to God and the biggest shame to the Devil. That is that Christ is glorified forever on earth and in the new heaven AND new earth.

RETREATING , when in Rev 12:7-9 that the DEVIL lost the war in HEAVEN and was CAST down to the earth and verse 8 says that there was no PLACE in Heaven is found for them .

Then in Rev 20:10 says that the devil , the beast , and the false prophet , and shall be tormented DAY AND NIGHT for EVER and EVER , and seems there is no LAUGHING in the LAKE OF FIRE >

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

I would take this to mean because JESUS is there in heaven, everything associated with blessing in Him is there.

I would understand the following wonderful passages to me where Jesus is is all pur riches, hope, treasure IN HIM.

If we are seen as RETREATING forever to Heaven, this is not a victory but cause for the Devil to laugh.
The battle has been that His will be done ON EARTH . . . as it is in Heaven.

You know John saw "a new heaven and a new earth" (Rev. 21:1).
And the symbolism of New Jerusalem COMING DOWN certainly means His reign, glory, and expression of God in man is coming down to the earth. Am I right?

" . . . showed me the holy city, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God,
having the glory of God. " (See Rev. 21:10,11)

We Christians do not want to remain in Heaven when EVERYTHING of Christ and His glorious city Bride/Wife is descending down to the earth.
We would want to be with Him.
He and His Wife/Temple/City New Jerusalem are "coming down out of heaven."

This is the greatest glory to God and the biggest shame to the Devil. That is that Christ is glorified forever on earth and in the new heaven AND new earth.

`Heaven is my throne and earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)

 

[oikonomia]

`Heaven is my throne and earth is my footstool.` (Isa. 66: 1)

Amen. Excellent!
And what else does this marvelous passage say?

Thus says Jehovah,
Heaven is My throne,
And the earth the footstool for My feet.
Where then is the house that you will build for Me,
And where is the place of My rest?
For all these things My hand has made,

And so all these things have come into being, declares Jehovah.
But to this kind of man will I look, to him who is poor
And of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word. (Isaiah 66:1,2)

His throne is heaven.
He LOOKS for a place of His rest. His rest is His dwelling place.
All of creation are the things made of His hand. So He looks not to creation's vault for His REST and His dwelling place.
WHERE THEN . . . is the place of His rest, His house?

Where then is the house that you will build for Me, / And where is the place of My rest?

He looks to a certain kind of man. God seeks His rest within a certain kind of man.
But to this kind of man will I look, to him who is poor / And of a contrite spirit, and who trembles at My word.

That "poor" man is eventually the man Jesus Christ - the incarnation of God in humanity - the mingling of divinity and humanity.
Here dwelling in a man of the more contrite spirit and highest regard for His word does God look for His house.

The final resting place of God is IN MAN - beginning in the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Eventually this house was destroyed and raised again in three days.

John 2:19,21 - Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then the Jews said, This temple was built in forty-six years, and You will raise it up in three days?
But He spoke of the temple of His body.

When Jehovah God came to earth dwelling in the man with a contrite spirit to the uttermost and trembled at His word to
the greatest degree, they had Him crucified. They destroyed the living temple of God - Christ God manifest in the flesh.
But in resurrection He raised the temple again and included millions of sons of God to be the enlargement of His Body.

This is a huge subject. I only say a little here.
But Jesus Christ went to prepare a place for those whom He died for- that His Father's house would be of MANY ABODES.

John 14:1-3 Do not let your heart be troubled; believe into God, believe also into Me.
In My Father’s house are many abodes; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am you also may be.

The vision of New Jerusalem of Revelation 21,22 is a SIGN signifying the house of God enlarged to include many regenerated, redeemed, transformed, sanctified, confoermed to His image,and glorified human beings. They are and are becomming - "the dwelling [or habitation] place of God in spirit" (Eph. 2:22)

He would have TOLD us . . . if there were only ONE abode in the Father's house.
He went to the cross to accomplish eternal redemption.
He went to death and resurrection to make a way for us to ALSO be abodes in the house of God.
Therein Jehovah God obtains His house - through the builded church - through the raised and enlarged Body of Christ.

 

[oikonomia]

It was not Jesus saying He would go to Heaven to prepare mansions for us.
It is not that John 14:1 means for two thousand years Jesus is there in heaven hanging curtains and chandeliers for millions of heavenly mansions.

He went away to the cross to make a way for men to get into God.
That is that where He is we may also be brought into that same mingled relationship.

In My Father’s house are many abodes; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will receive you to Myself, so that where I am you also may be.

The plural "abodes" is the same word in verse 23 in the singular.
In verse 23 the Triune God - the divine We comes to make an ABODE [singular] with the lover of Jesus.

Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him. ( John 14:23)

This is about the Triune God dispensing Himself into a corporate man making each an abode in the Father's living organic house.
I know some of you never heard this before.

Christ went to prepare a place for man to get into the Triune God and for the Triune God to be dispensed into man.
This mutual dwelling place is called "New Jerusalem".

We are each to be made "a pillar in the temple of My God".

He who overcomes, him I will make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall by no means go out anymore, and I will write upon him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which descends out of heaven from My God, and My new name. (Rev. 3:12)

The pillars are living people. The temple of God is a living temple.
The whole city of New Jerusalem is the living "organic" dwelling place where God is dispensed into man.