who was there for Cain to marry?

[Markh]

the bible says he went off to some other land and married someone, how did she get there if Eve only had had 2 sons?

what is the Creationist answer to this- I would be interested to hear it.

 

[Nova]

Hello Markh,
I have heard that question before and the answer is revealed in the bible.
Adam and Eve had other children.

GEN 5:4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.

There is no absolute biblical proof but it looks like the best scenario is that Cain married one of his female relatives.

Nova

 

[Markh]

k, but

It seems to me like you have Cain and his brother first then there is Seth after Able dies. When it talks about Cain getting married- isn't it before Seth is around and before they had these "other children"


also I just don't see why they would all split up...surely with dangerous animals around they would sttick together in a small community.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

when looked at in the hebrew you'll find that God did not create a man and a woman. he created men and women, plural. It's just that A&E where the first.

 

[Markh]

so isn't that an argument for evolution mentioned in the bible- as a mass population was around?

 

[MagusAlbertus]

all i know is what the bible says, and i'm not going to prject my ego into it. But i am 100% sure the bible is right.

whare where you when God layed the foundations of the earth? none of us was there.. so we don't know any thing that's happend in the past for sure, other than what's writen in the word of God.

 

[Markh]

I agree and like the bible- science is unchanging word from God. Science is like another book which God has spoken through.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

The word of God is apsolute truth, the word of science is the lack of apsolute truth.. each by their very definition.

but, of course, just as God spoke all of existance into being, he so spoke the laws of minutia by which he governs. I to enjoy looking into how God did what he does, it's quite beautifull. It's important, thought, that no matter how well we understand those basic phisical laws we not put ourselve spiritualy on a level higher than we deserve... pride never served anyone but Lucifer.

 

[Markh]

true, we shouldn't get arrogant with our limited scientific knowledge.

 

[Nova]

k, but

It seems to me like you have Cain and his brother first then there is Seth after Able dies. When it talks about Cain getting married- isn't it before Seth is around and before they had these "other children"


also I just don't see why they would all split up...surely with dangerous animals around they would sttick together in a small community.

Maybe so, but unlikely.

You need to present each verse with you opinion so I can see just what you are talking about. What you presented is a little hard to follow.

For now we fully understand that the bible says Adam and Eve had other children.
One of those "other" children was most likely the wife.

 

[Nova]

when looked at in the hebrew you'll find that God did not create a man and a woman. he created men and women, plural. It's just that A&E where the first.

Personally I don't agree with this statement and to be honest I see no biblical reason why we should.

If what MagusAlbertus said is true, then was each (original) woman created from her husbands rib?
Did each couple fall in the garden like Adam and Eve did?

The main concern with presenting theology such as MagusAlbertus has presented is that it may appear to work for an isolated verse but when the whole topic is examined and bible verse is compared to bible verse the argument falls apart.

 

[Markh]

so what is the argument that some of their kids just went off and abandoned them?

 

[Nova]

so what is the argument that some of their kids just went off and abandoned them?

I don't understand this question Markh.

 

[MagusAlbertus]

Personally I don't agree with this statement and to be honest I see no biblical reason why we should.

If what MagusAlbertus said is true, then was each (original) woman created from her husbands rib?
Did each couple fall in the garden like Adam and Eve did?

The main concern with presenting theology such as MagusAlbertus has presented is that it may appear to work for an isolated verse but when the whole topic is examined and bible verse is compared to bible verse the argument falls apart.

I believe that the Garden of Eden was part of a non-decaying existence that was the prototype of the perfection of what humans could be... but with free will.



God created a few *2* humans in the garden, and surely a few of the other animals. When the fall happened God created a number of other humans, temporally at the same time, as in gen 1... Although the animals had been created in the garden after Adam had.



It seems obvious to me that the garden was timeless and as the fall occurs God created other humans on the same model for the rest of humanity.

which, i think, explains why animals where created after man in gen2 but before man in gen 1.

of course, with all scripture, i could be interpreting it wrong.

 

[Markh]

and I think that sounds like a reasonable interperetation..but in taking this view based on a non literal interperetation, doesn't evolution become a possibility?

 

[MagusAlbertus]

and I think that sounds like a reasonable interperetation..but in taking this view based on a non literal interperetation, doesn't evolution become a possibility?

I don't see how it disagrees with a literal inerpetation of the bible... does it say that they aged in the guarden of eden? As a matter of fact the curs of eating of the apple is that they would 'dieingly die' that is, as i see it, age.

I know surely it says in gen 2 that animals came after man, and in gen 1 animals before man.. which seems quite literal and quite non contradictory when you think of the guarden as a literal existance in perfection.

I take the bible literaly, but i don't subscribe to what other people tell me i MUST view things as literaly writen.. i like the " yong litteral translation" of the bible:

http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=kl%3Bhk%3B&version=YLT

 

[Markh]

I would say that Man was made bfore the animals..the soul of man, the escence of man was...not the physical.

The time when the bible says "adam was unconcious" is the time when evolution happend. When he woke up his soul had a body and that body was one which had evolved (in an evolution that was controlled and directed by God) to reach man's physical appearence.

 

[Nova]

I would say that animals were made prior to the completion of the making of mankind.
That is prior to Eve.

Adam + Eve = mankind.

Adam alone does not = mankind.

 

[Nova]

The time when the bible says "adam was unconcious" is the time when evolution happend. When he woke up his soul had a body and that body was one which had evolved (in an evolution that was controlled and directed by God) to reach man's physical appearence.

Adam already had a spirit prior to the making of Eve.

I believe that the "soul" =mind+spirit+body.

We are a soul. The unsaved soul has a mind, body and a dead spirit.

 

[Markh]

but the soul can exist without the body- I mean when we die, that's what happens. So couldn't the 2 have been seperated before Adam was born.