Who Wants to be a Mod?

[NightEternal]

I cannot endorse horrible personal flames. Calling people ignorant and mentally insane? Not ignorant against a particular subject either....just ignorant.

Come on, I won't pretend for a second that is something we should have on here, and I know the mods won't either. And this is EXACTLY why we need mods.

I think this is the charge Ice.

I'm trying to figure out where Trust read you saying this, but I can't seem to find it.

 

[NightEternal]

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[TrustAndObey]

http://www.christianforums.com/t5841766-seventh-day-adventists-icedragon101-08-04-2007.html

Ice, you sent out a PM asking people to come vote on a poll (and telling them how you'd like them to vote) so people that haven't ever cared about this forum, or haven't cared in years, show up.

Then you basically leave and leave us to deal with the aftermath of that.

That isn't the big issue at hand.

YOU voted for "stricter rules against personal flames" and then you compared OntheDL of being crazy like such and such.

If you feel he flamed you, then it was up to you to handle that accordingly, not fight back with flames.

I don't know how I can endorse someone as a mod that obviously doesn't know how to bridle their own emotions and not resort to flaming.

I watched you totally malign a 15-year-old CHILD about starting a poll, and I have yet to see you apologize to him (if you did, please point me to the post and I will apologize).

I'd like to see people get voted in that face the flames, and respond in a Christlike manner instead of flaming themselves.

I can't trust someone to enforce the no flames rule that resorts to flames themselves. Period.

Therefore, I cannot endorse you as a mod and unless I see you apologize to OntheDL and Mankin, I will not vote for you as a mod either.

My 2 cents.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I think this is the charge Ice.

I'm trying to figure out where Trust read you saying this, but I can't seem to find it.

could some one tell me where I said that in the forum

 

[TrustAndObey]

And here's some more:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=37254090#post37254090

In post #91 Icedragon says:

you are a fool. I have read the book it does not say what you say it does. I went to 2 different colleges and lived at another one and never saw that. Granted there are problem on the SDA campuses, but that is not one. you have never attended a campus you speak out of ignorance

 

[NightEternal]

Trust, I don't see the problem with the post you linked to. The assertion was made that there is neurolinguistic programming and hypnosis being taught at our seminary and schools in order to program the students to manipulate others to think a certain way. Such a preposterous conspiracy theory charge is just begging for the treatment, and Ice gave it just that. I, for one, am tired of having to read such nonsense on this board, and you can lump all the 'Jesuit infiltration in the SDA church' stuff in with that as well. Let's leave that to ridiculous websites such as SDA Defend. If OnTheDL is going to throw out such a statement, he better expect to be called on it, because it is complete hogwash, and I am sure our seminary professors and school teachers would be quite appalled at such a claim.

Also, I only see where Ice called John Osbourne crazy, not OnTheDL. And he is right, Osbourne was a complete, right-wing, fundamentalist flake who practically tore the Florida conference apart with his extremism. I see no mention at all of 'mentally insane' in reference to OnTheDL by Ice.

Furthermore, saying someone is speaking out of ignorance (which is what Ice did) is precisely referring to a specific topic that the individual is uninformed about, not calling the person ignorant in general.

So, I don't see what you're seeing, and the comment below the report seems to affirm this.

As for Mankin situation, I do believe Ice was a little abrupt and should make amends there somehow. The 'fool' charge was also not in step with going after the post instead of the poster, so that is also is a problem.

Sometimes it is hard to keep one's personal opinion of the poster out of the post.

 

[TrustAndObey]

OntheDL isn't asking me to make him a mod, IceDragon is.

If IceDragon cannot read a comment he disagrees with without resorting to a flame, I will not vote for him. Furthermore, what does scripture say about calling a brother a fool?

He flies off the handle, and he encourages fighting. I can't endorse that. I don't need your explanation of it Night, I need Ice's...and if he doesn't care to give me one, which is his right, I stand firm on how I'll vote.

Mankin deserves an apology, and so does OntheDL.

If he can't swallow his own pride to do that, then so be it.

And I don't think OTD's "conspiracy theory" is any more wild than hidden conference notes from 1919. There can only be a conspiracy when we agree there was one?

 

[NightEternal]

We all saw how well my apology with Conklin turned out.

Keeping the 1919 minutes from public view is a lot more probable than what OnTheDL is asserting. If I have seen it once before in my years in the church, I have seen it a 1000 times Trust. The next logical step is declaring the mainline church in apostasy and telling people to come out of her.

Did you ever stop to ask yourself why the only place you see these conspiracy charges always being made against the GC, the seminary and the admin is in groups who have separated themselves from the mainline church in some way? It's because the paranoia that these groups proffer naturally feed into the 'us vs. the corporate structure' mentality.

Groups like Shepherd's Rod had thier beginning in such theories about the church as OnTheDL is promoting. What we see now with the Rod group is taking that mindset to its logical conclusion.

 

[sentipente]

T&O needs to assess matters on the merits.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

http://www.christianforums.com/t5841766-seventh-day-adventists-icedragon101-08-04-2007.html

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ce, you sent out a PM asking people to come vote on a poll (and telling them how you'd like them to vote) so people that haven't ever cared about this forum, or haven't cared in years, show up.

that is not TRUE. first of all let us get our attitude in the right place. I contacted the top 200 SDA's people in the fourm. they were the most active on CF. I first sent out a pm asking them to vote to keep the progressive sub forum. It did not work I think we got 3 votes. Then I sent out another PM asking for people to vote for all 4 forums. That is when the votes started coming in. I make no apologies for asking for votes. You do owe me an apology for saying that I told them to vote. I asked not told
What I discovered is that there are more SDA's CF then are in SDA subforum the top 2 posters are not regulars here. one theme that became clear is that we would have more traffic, but the fighting is driving people away. that is why I stay away.

Then you basically leave and leave us to deal with the aftermath of that.

there was no after math. That is made up. If there was it was not by me. any talk of splitting the forum was made by a 15 year old child. it is not my fault that you listened to him. He had everyone for 5 days going at each other . I saw that reason would not work so I took a break for a while and backed off until it calmed down.


That isn't the big issue at hand.

YOU voted for "stricter rules against personal flames" and then you compared OntheDL of being crazy like such and such.

No Trust you have it wrong. It was DL that attacked Me. I never said DL was crazy. I said John Osborne who 15 years earlier said the same thing was called crazy, so he should not expect to be seen in a different light when he says the same thing.

If you feel he flamed you, then it was up to you to handle that accordingly, not fight back with flames.

again you are shifting the burden of responsiblity. it is not for me to have to dog his flames. As far a the flame goes it was reported to the Ecumenical team and they said they did not see any flames #2. That people in the forum were "THIN Skinned" so I don't know what you are complaining about. I think you are personally looking for excuses. you are not representing me fairly.
http://www.christianforums.com/t5841766

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don't know how I can endorse someone as a mod that obviously doesn't know how to bridle their own emotions and not resort to flaming.

then with the exeption of Tall and the country doc, you cannot support any one else in this forum. you put on me a responsiblity that you don't put on other you support. The only common denominator is that I am not like you.. you are afraid that I will

I watched you totally malign a 15-year-old CHILD about starting a poll, and I have yet to see you apologize to him (if you did, please point me to the post and I will apologize).

I told him the "split" poll was "invalid" that is all. I will not apoligize to him. It was out of place for him to start a poll that effect the function of the forum. you should have been adult enough to see that and put a stop to it Espically since we had just voted to have 4 sub-forums. Where is you righteous indignation over that injustice? It was he who was caused 5 days of fighting, he disrespected the will of the forum not I.

I'd like to see people get voted in that face the flames, and respond in a Christlike manner instead of flaming themselves.

How am I to respond to this. you tell me that while the forum is in chaoas and people are attacking me that I can't defend myself? Then when the post is reported, they say they see no flaming in it. I think you are just overreacting.
http://www.christianforums.com/t5841766

I can't trust someone to enforce the no flames rule that resorts to flames themselves. Period.

then you should not be allowed to voted, because you are guilty of the same crime. This tread is one big flame. one accusation after another

Therefore, I cannot endorse you as a mod and unless I see you apologize to OntheDL and Mankin, I will not vote for you as a mod either

.It was DL that attacked me. for I will not apoligize for a wrong I did not commit. As far as mankin goes I mearly told him that the poll was not valid. wchich it was( see above) That is all.

You have made an accusation and they have been shown to be false.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Ice, it would've been nice to see some personal accountability instead of seeing you throw the blame on everyone else.

If you felt OntheDL attacked you, you should've reported him instead of flaming back. You called him a fool.

Is that a personal flame or is it not?

The "anonymous poster" that said they didn't see a flame there IS NOT STAFF. Otherwise, their CF character and everything shows up. That was one poster's opinion....not the staff decision on what you said.

If you hung around here more, you'd know Mankin's poll came after Sophia's poll on whether or not this forum should split. And when Mankin started his poll, the results leaned in favor of splitting.

If you become a moderator you will be told to instruct posters to REPORT A POST instead of responding to it.

You said you're about rules and order....so let's see it.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

OntheDL isn't asking me to make him a mod, IceDragon is.

If IceDragon cannot read a comment he disagrees with without resorting to a flame,

you obviously are not reading the same thread I am. It was DL that you need to be talking to. DL is the problem, but because I am a progressive i am to blame. you want me to play a mayter. It was DL who tried to insult me by implying I was Tall73 sidekick, by calling me "robin" implying I was second fiddle to "Batman"

I will not vote for him. Furthermore, what does

scripture say about calling a brother a fool?

I never said he was a fool. I said some one else was called a fool for saying the same things as DL, so he should be more careful or he will be labled the same thing.

He flies off the handle, and he encourages fighting. I can't endorse that

I do not. you don't even have the decency PM. Please sight an example

. I don't need your explanation of it Night, I need Ice's...and if he doesn't care to give me one, which is his right, I stand firm on how I'll vote.

Mankin deserves an apology, and so does OntheDL

This is you flying off the handle. You are making a demand that you have no right to make. Mankin told you I did him wrong. DId he show you? No

If he can't swallow his own pride to do that, then so be it.

see previous post. pride. I think both of those people are suffering from Pride.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Trust you have Got to stop.

You are being very self righteous. It does not matter what the facts are it only matters what you want. You are making irresponsible accusations. saying I caused this problem. You have yet to show me where I did wrong.

You have been talking about this for a week and now you are mad at me for getting your self all work up over nothing.

You are the one causing fighting in this forum and now it is my turn yo fight with you.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Is this merely telling someone that their poll is invalid?

what are you doing Mankin?

Are you trying to split the forum? The forum is not going to split.
Mankin you are being devisive I think we need to ban Mankin from polling. Nothing personal. i am sharing your views, but you are not mature enough

you are 15 years old and a child you are not old enough to claim the type of authority or respect that you want.

Sit down and be quite

Telling someone to sit down and be quiet is telling them their poll is invalid HOW?

Here is an example of encouraging fighting (since you asked):

wow Tall73 you came out swinging? way to knock him around.

You didn't rephrase it until someone called you on it.

And again, OntheDL isn't asking me to vote him in as a mod. You are.

I see apologies in order, but obviously the Holy Spirit will do the convincing, not I.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

And here's some more:

http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=37254090#post37254090

In post #91 Icedragon says:

for that quote I will apoligize to DL
DL I am sorry for that, I did not mean that.

 

[sentipente]

Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. Hmpff!

 

[TrustAndObey]

I never said he was a fool. I said some one else was called a fool for saying the same things as DL, so he should be more careful or he will be labled the same thing.

Post #91 in this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t5412926&page=10

you are a fool. I have read the book it does not say what you say it does. I went to 2 different colleges and lived at another one and never saw that. Granted there are problem on the SDA campuses, but that is not one. you have never attended a campus you speak out of ignorance

I rest my case. I'm sorry Ice, I don't wish to debate with you. I was just hoping that you'd apologize to Mankin and others. In fact, I said this in a thread several days ago, that I'd vote for you IF I saw some apologies.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Ice, this really isn't personal although I'm sure it does feel that way, but I had to retract my second and I stated why.

Actually I'm just as upset with Wooba for pushing that this forum not split so we could get stricter rules in here, and where is he now that it's time to MAKE those stricter rules?

Where are most of those people that voted for that option actually?

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

About the talks of not allowing debate in the main forum. I think we could decide on a good description of what is meant by debate, could we not? Although I do not think this is the thread to be discussing it in.

Also, the main forum is for fellowship too..right? So friendly discussion is also allowed, beyond the questions? Like David's thread about the squirrels. Or did I misunderstand this?

Mods are not required to be here 24/7. The old minimum time commitment for staff members was at least four hours per week, but most mods spend way more time moderating than that. However, your real life has to come first. You can take time off on Sabbath.

Okay, that makes sense. That's why we're trying to get a bunch though, right? To lessen the load a bit, but yes I understand it's not an easy task.

If the mods are appointed to cover the whole SDA forum, then, yes, they can mod in the sub-forums as well. When you are closing a thread or posting a mod hat or something like that, it doesn't matter what your theological beliefs are. You're not there to debate.

Ohhhh. Got it.

Things come up, and sometimes people need to take time off. That's understandable. On the other hand, I would have some reservations about your going into this knowing from the beginning that your time will be extremely limited. The reality is that moderating is very time-consuming if you are going to be active in it. It's a hard and often thankless and discouraging job. If you have a lot of stress in your personal life, it may not be wise for you to add to that burden. It also takes time away from simply discussing things and fellowshipping with people, which may be another factor to consider.

That's the tricky part. At this point I don't actually know if anything will even come up in my life that might pull me away. At this time I cannot see why an hour a day would not be a problem, which is more than the 4 hours a week..and more time than that should be okay if things stay in the course they are now. (It'd be good for me to have a reason to avoid playing video games so much, too! *lol* )

I hadn't quite thought of it taking time away from fellowshipping, and I'm glad you brought that up. It is something to consider, although I also think that keeping this place in order is just as important because it allows the fellowshipping to go much smoother.

I think you would be a good mod, Sarah, and I would be happy to vote for you if you decide to accept the nomination. I just want to be sure that you have some idea of what you would be getting yourself into. It's not a decision to take lightly, and I admire your taking the time to pray about it and not rushing into a decision.

Thanks, Sophia. That means a lot to me, actually.


Actually, just curious..But if I do decide to decline this, would it be possible to become a mod a little later on? I want you guys to know that if I decline it's still something I'd like to do in the future.

 

[NightEternal]

I don't need your explanation of it Night, I need Ice's...and if he doesn't care to give me one, which is his right, I stand firm on how I'll vote.

Come on Trust. I am allowed to express my opinion on the matter, aren't I? I am not trying to justify anything Ice has done, merely sharing what I see in the situation. I have even pointed out where I thought Ice dropped the ball.

I am not trying to change your vote. If you feel you have valid reason for it, that's fine.

In all fairness to Mankin, he did not know that the vote to not split the forum had already been decided. I don't see that he was trying to agitate division.

And Ice, I also wanted a split forum, so it wasn't just a 15 year old pushing for it.