Who tempted Lucifer?

[Ormly]

Adam was tempted of the devil through Eve, to disobey God.

. . . . Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

 

[Webers_Home]

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RE: Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

His sin wasn't disobedience; it was pride.

†. Ezek 28:11-19 . . The word of Yhvh came to me: Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: This is what the Sovereign Yhvh says:

. . You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.

. . Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries. So I made a fire come out from you, and it consumed you, and I reduced you to ashes on the ground in the sight of all who were watching. All the nations who knew you are appalled at you; you have come to a horrible end and will be no more.

Lucifer's pride is the sin of arrogance; which Webster's defines as: a feeling, or an impression, of superiority manifested in an overbearing manner or presumptuous claims

That covers a lot of ground; including, but not limited to, conceit, which Webster's defines as: excessive appreciation of one's own worth or virtue.

And bigotry which Webster's defines as: when a person is obstinately, and/or intolerantly, devoted to their own opinions and prejudices. In other words, a bigot is convinced in their own mind that no one else's opinions but their own could possibly be right.

In a nutshell then, Lucifer's pride is the attitude of someone whose only God is themselves; thus they are one of Yhvh's competitors.

But to take pride in your work, your home, your appearance, your family, your car, your accomplishments, your best girl, your accolades, etc, is not the kind of pride God frowns upon. Those kinds of pride are good pride— sort of like comparing bad cholesterol to good cholesterol.

C.L.I.F.F.
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[Hammster]

Adam was tempted of the devil through Eve, to disobey God.

. . . . Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

That question assumes that all sin is the result of external temptation. Can you show where that idea can be found in the bible?

 

[CmRoddy]

Adam was tempted of the devil through Eve, to disobey God.

. . . . Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

Lucifer was created for the purpose of bringing evil into the world so that Christ could make His way to the cross for God's own glory.

God creates everything, even the wicked for the day of evil (Prov. 16:4).

 

[AMR]

Adam was tempted of the devil through Eve, to disobey God.

. . . . Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

Why assume satan was temped? He was a murderer from the beginning and the truth was never in him. In short, satan is God's devil.

AMR

 

[CmRoddy]

Why assume satan was temped? He was a murderer from the beginning and the truth was never in him. In short, satan is God's devil.

AMR

I think Satan is the perfect example of Proverbs 16:4 realized in reality.

 

[Bible2]

Ormly posted in message #1 of this thread:

Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

Greetings.

Note that no one need have tempted Lucifer; he could have sinned
out of the lust of his own heart, just as we are tempted and sin out
of the lusts of our own hearts: "Let no man say when he is tempted,
I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither
tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn
away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived,
it bringeth forth sin" (James 1:14-15). "Hearken unto me every one
of you, and understand: There is nothing from without a man, that
entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of
him, those are they that defile the man ... For from within, out of
the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications,
murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness,
an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come
from within, and defile the man" (Mark 7:14-15,21-23).

 

[Bible2]

Ask Mr. Religion posted in message #5 of this thread:

Why assume satan was temped? He was a murderer from the
beginning and the truth was never in him. In short, satan is God's
devil.

Greetings.

The devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginnng of his identity
as the devil (John 8:44). But before Lucifer rebelled against God and
became the devil, or Satan (Isaiah 14:12-13, Luke 10:18), he had
been created perfect by God: "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from
the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee"
(Ezekiel 28:15).

 

[AMR]

Greetings.

The devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginnng of his identity
as the devil (John 8:44). But before Lucifer rebelled against God and
became the devil, or Satan (Isaiah 14:12-13, Luke 10:18), he had
been created perfect by God: "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from
the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee"
(Ezekiel 28:15).

What leads to believe that satan is in view here versus Tyre? I don't see the connection.

AMR

 

[JimfromOhio]

Adam was tempted of the devil through Eve, to disobey God.

. . . . Who tempted Lucifer that he should disobey God?

Lucifer attempted himself with pride wanting to be equal to God. Lucifer fell because of his pride and became Satan. It was pride that made him fell. Desire to be equal or be like God is PRIDE. The very FIRST SIN occurred in heaven by Lucifer (Satan) was related to selfishness (wanting to be equal to God). When Lucifer (who became Satan) sinned due to pride: "I will cast off God's rule. I am too great to be bound by it. I shall declare myself autonomous. I will be like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14) Pride is the primary heart of the sin. C.S. Lewis once said "It makes us all want to be more than we are or can be and, consequently, causes to fall short of the great destiny for which we were created.

In relation to salvation, there those who believe will take credit for salvation because it is man-centered (pride) more than God-center (humility).

Apostle Paul wrote, “Your salvation is nothing you have achieved by your good works. It is a gift of God. You receive it by faith. That way no one can boast of his own accomplishments.” Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God."

God alone, since salvation is accomplished solely through His will and action—not only the gift of the all-sufficient atonement of Jesus on the cross but also the gift of faith in that atonement, created in the heart of the believer by the Holy Spirit. The Bible affirms that man gets no credit for his own believing, and that man cannot and does not seek God. The Old and New Testaments affirms that no man seeks after God, and that there are none who are righteous (Ps. 14:1-3; 53:1-4; Rom. 3:10-18). In John 6:44, Jesus said "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him" in the same chapter 6 of John, in verse 65, Jesus said "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

Lucifer attempted himself with pride wanting to be equal to God. Lucifer fell because of his pride and became Satan. It was pride that made him fell. Desire to be equal or be like God is PRIDE. The very FIRST SIN occurred in heaven by Lucifer (Satan) was related to selfishness (wanting to be equal to God). When Lucifer (who became Satan) sinned due to pride: "I will cast off God's rule. I am too great to be bound by it. I shall declare myself autonomous. I will be like the Most High" (Isaiah 14:14) Pride is the primary heart of the sin. C.S. Lewis once said "It makes us all want to be more than we are or can be and, consequently, causes to fall short of the great destiny for which we were created.

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[Bible2]

Ask Mr. Religion posted in message #9 of this thread:

What leads to believe that satan is in view here versus Tyre? I
don't see the connection.

Greetings.

Lucifer is the "king of Tyre" (Ezekiel 28:12) spiritually, just as he is
the "king of Babylon" (Isaiah 14:4,12) spiritually, for all nations have
been placed under his spiritual control (Luke 4:5-6). Ezekiel 28:13
refers to the still-unfallen Lucifer being assigned as the "covering
cherub" over the Garden of Eden before the Fall of man. But in his
pride, Lucifer could have chafed at his assignment on earth as being
beneath his dignity; he could have seen it as simply awful that he
had to babysit (what he could have thought of as) two vile mud-
creatures (Adam & Eve) on some speck of dust planet in the middle
of nowhere, instead of being back in his exalted position in heaven
itself (Ezekiel 28:14b). Lucifer could have requested God repeatedly
to please re-assign him back into heaven, but God could have
repeatedly refused. So Lucifer's first fall into rebellion against God in
his heart could have been his vow to, regardless of what God
wanted, ascend back into heaven and rule over all of the angels
there and sit in an exalted place in heaven like God: "For thou hast
said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne
above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the
congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the
heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" (Isaiah 14:13-15).
Lucifer's first outward act of rebellion against God could have been
his deceiving Eve (and through her, bringing Adam) into sin (Genesis 3).

Just as Lucifer/Satan is spiritually the "king of Tyre" (Ezekiel
28:12-13), so the Antichrist is the "prince of Tyre": "say unto the
prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is
lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God"
(Ezekiel 28:2); "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that
is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in
the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God" (2 Thessalonians
2:4). The Antichrist could be an Arab, from the modern city of Tyre,
Lebanon.

At the time of Solomon's temple, the human king of Tyre was named
"Hiram" (1 Kings 9:11). The main worker on Solomon's temple was a
human from Tyre, a widow's son, also named "Hiram" (1 Kings
7:13-14). As we've seen, the spiritual king of Tyre is Lucifer, and the
prince of Tyre is the Antichrist. Now imagine if there was a secret
society which taught Gnostic Luciferianism at its highest degree of
initiation, and that this society was working behind the scenes to
help prepare the way for the Antichrist's rise to world-rule and his
bringing of the whole world into Gnosticism and the worship of the
dragon Lucifer: "And they worshipped the dragon" (Revelation 13:4).
If this secret society wanted to keep its ultimate aims secret even
from its lower-degreed members, yet still wanted to begin preparing
them to one day be able to accept Gnostic Luciferianism, the secret
society in its mystical teachings to its lower-degreed members could
disguise the name of both Lucifer and the person of the Antichrist
under the code-name "Hiram", since "Hiram" was the name of the
human "king of Tyre", just as Lucifer is the spiritual "king of Tyre",
and since another man from Tyre named "Hiram" made the temple in
which the whole world was to worship God (1 Kings 8:41-43), just
as the Antichrist will make it so that the whole world will worship
Lucifer as God.

This secret society could prepare its lower-degreed members to
ultimately accept the Gnostic doctrines of the Antichrist, such as the
idea that Christ did not become flesh: "every spirit that confesseth
not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is
that spirit of antichrist" (1 John 4:3), and the Gnostic doctrine that
YHWH is an evil, subordinate god who is to be reviled: the Antichrist
will "shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods" (Daniel
11:36). The secret society could instruct its lower-degreed members
into accepting the (purported) science/knowledge of Gnosticism
(1 Timothy 6:20), "Gnosis", as the ultimate knowledge,
encompassing those core truths which (they could say) "all religions
have in common".

Now imagine that this Gnostic Luciferian secret society wanted to
make a symbol of itself that would become known worldwide and
summarize its ultimate aims, while still keeping its ultimate aims a
secret. It could start making its symbol by placing a big "G" right
in the middle, which most people would assume stood for "God", but
very few would think that it stood for "Gnosis", the Gnostic doctrine
of the Antichrist. Next, the secret society could picture Lucifer as
the source of its "Gnosis" by placing an L-shaped tool called a square
under the "G". Most people could think that the L-shaped tool called
a square under the "G" represents how we have to "square" (make
right) our thoughts and actions under God. Very few people would
think that the "G" within the "L"-shape represented the "Gnosis"
found in "Lucifer". Next, the secret society could picture the
Antichrist bringing the whole world into the Gnosis found in Lucifer,
by placing an A-shaped tool called a "compass" over the "G" and the
"L", and this "A" could be shown standing on the globe. Most people
could think that the A-shaped "compass" standing on the globe
and encompassing the "G" and the "L" simply means that the idea
of our needing to "square" our thoughts and actions under God needs
to eventually reach the whole world, all of humanity. Very few people
would think that it means the "Antichrist" will rule the whole world
and force all of humanity on pain of death into accepting Gnostic
Luciferianism, and into rejecting Biblical Christianity and YHWH as evil.

"And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a
mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given
unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his
mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his
tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto
him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power
was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all
that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not
written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of
the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into
captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must
be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the
saints" (Revelation 13:4-10).

 

[k2svpete]

Ahh, no. Ezekiel 28 refers to the Prince of Tyre, a real human being who lived & breathed and was, funnily enough, the Prince of Tyre.

Tip folks, there is no supernatural 'devil', it is the carnal mind that is at enmity with God,a s we are told in Romans.

 

[AMR]

Greetings.

Lucifer is the "king of Tyre" (Ezekiel 28:12) spiritually, just as he is
the "king of Babylon" (Isaiah 14:4,12) spiritually, for all nations have
been placed under his spiritual control (Luke 4:5-6)....etc etc

I am afraid you are allegorizing Scripture where no allegorical genre is being employed. Very little of Scripture is allegory.

AMR

 

[Bible2]

k2svpete posted in message #13 of this thread:

Ezekiel 28 refers to the Prince of Tyre, a real human being who lived
& breathed and was, funnily enough, the Prince of Tyre.

Greetings.

The prince of Tyre in Ezekiel 28:2 is a real human being, but not one
that lived in the past. He is the Antichrist, who will commit
2 Thessalonians 2:4.

k2svpete posted in message #13 of this thread:

there is no supernatural 'devil', it is the carnal mind that is at enmity
with God,a s we are told in Romans.

Note that Romans 8:7 doesn't say that the carnal mind of humans is
the same as the spiritual being who is called the devil. For the mind
of Jesus is not carnal, yet he was still tempted by the spiritual being
who is called the devil (Matthew 4).

 

[Bible2]

Ask Mr. Religion posted in message #14 of this thread:

you are allegorizing Scripture

Greetings.

Actually, no allegorizing of Ezekiel 28 is involved in saying that the
prince of Tyre is the Antichrist, who could be an Arab, from Tyre,
Lebanon; or in saying that the king of Tyre is the devil, who has
been given spiritual rule over not only Tyre, but the entire world
(Luke 4:5-6). Also, it is precisely because Ezekiel 28 is not allegory
that Ezekiel 28:13-14 must be taken as a literal reference to the
as-yet-unfallen Lucifer (before he fell and became the devil/Satan:
Isaiah 14:12, Luke 10:18) being placed as the "covering cherub"
over the Garden of Eden before the Fall of man.

 

[k2svpete]

Greetings.

The prince of Tyre in Ezekiel 28:2 is a real human being, but not one
that lived in the past. He is the Antichrist, who will commit
2 Thessalonians 2:4.

You have not one skerric of support for that assertion mate. Read the scripture in context and it is patently clear that it was for that time.

Note that Romans 8:7 doesn't say that the carnal mind of humans is the same as the spiritual being who is called the devil. For the mind of Jesus is not carnal, yet he was still tempted by the spiritual being who is called the devil (Matthew 4).

Well you see we have a problem here then. The mind of Jesus must have been carnal/human in order to be tempted. No temptation, or the inability to be tempted contradicts volumes of scripture. Devil means adversary, so follow the statement to its logical conclusion - the carnal mind is at enmity against God - aka it is at odds with God's plan. Further, where is the idication that Jesus was tempted by a spiritual being? There is none, again this is something read into the texts through the fog of pagan influence.

 

[Bible2]

k2svpete posted in message #17 of this thread:

Read the scripture in context and it is patently clear that it was for
that time.

Greetings.

Note that nothing in the context of Ezekiel 28:2 says or requires that
Ezekiel 28:2 was for the time in which the prophet Ezekiel lived. For
Ezekiel 28:2 is referring to the same man as 2 Thessalonians 2:4, the
Antichrist who will be revealed in the future.

k2svpete posted in message #17 of this thread:

The mind of Jesus must have been carnal/human in order to be
tempted.

One can't redefine "carnal" as "human", after trying earlier to define
"carnal" as "the devil". While Jesus certainly has a human mind, it is
not at enmity with God: "the carnal mind is enmity against God:
for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be"
(Romans 8:7). Jesus was "was in all points tempted like as we are,
yet without sin" (Hebrews 4:15). He was tempted by the spiritual
being called the devil and Satan: "Then was Jesus led up of the
Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he
had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an
hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the
Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he
answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then
the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a
pinnacle of the temple, And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of
God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels
charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up,
lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto
him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and
sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall
down and worship me. Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence,
Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and
him only shalt thou serve. Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold,
angels came and ministered unto him" (Matthew 4:1-11).

During the coming tribulation, Satan will be cast down out of heaven
for good: "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels
fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him"
(Revelation 12:7-9). He will then give all of his spiritual power to
the Antichrist (the beast), who will then rule the whole world and
bring it into the worship of Satan (probably not as "Satan", but as
"Lucifer"): "And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto
the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto
the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given
unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power
was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he
opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name,
and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given
unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and
power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names
are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the
foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He
that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth
with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience
and the faith of the saints" (Revelation 13:4-10).

k2svpete posted in message #17 of this thread:

Devil means adversary, so follow the statement to its logical
conclusion - the carnal mind is at enmity against God

There is no logic in saying that because the devil is the adversary of
God and the carnal mind of man is also adversarial to God, that then
the carnal mind of man must be the devil himself. That's as illogical
as saying that because Hiter was the adversary of the Jews during
World War II, and because the gestapo was also adversarial to the
Jews during World War II, that then the gestapo must have been
Hitler himself.

Satan is an individual spiritual being like the angels: "Now there was
a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the
LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto
Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and
said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and
down in it" (Job 1:6-7). "And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD
rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem
rebuke thee" (Zechariah 3:2). "Michael the archangel, when
contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses,
durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord
rebuke thee" (Jude 1:9).

 

[k2svpete]

Re-iterating what you've said before doesn't change things. There's a fair bit of what you've put up that has symbolism intrinsically woven through (Revelation quotes) and deeper teachings that can only be understood if scriptures are read on their merits, rather than being coloured with what you are looking to find.

Even then, the pattern of what you are trying to paint fails a simple chronology test. Check it out for yourself, have a look at the assertions and the events you are ascribing to as a chronicle of what has happened with the devil against where they appear in scripture. It doesn't even remotely flow.

 

[Bible2]

k2svpete posted in message #19 of this thread:

Re-iterating what you've said before doesn't change things.

Greetings.

Note that it's okay for Christians to reiterate what the Bible itself
teaches: "To write the same things to you, to me indeed is not
grievous, but for you it is safe" (Philippians 3:1). "Preach the word;
be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all
longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not
endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to
themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away
their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (2 Timothy
4:2-4).

In this thread, reiterating in detail with quoted scriptures has proven
that the dragon Satan, the Devil, is an individual spiritual being, just
as the archangel Michael and the angels are individual spiritual
beings: "Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he
disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a
railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee" (Jude 1:9). "And
there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the
dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not;
neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great
dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan,
which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth,
and his angels were cast out with him" (Revelation 12:7-9). "Be
sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion,
walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Peter 5:8).

k2svpete posted in message #19 of this thread:

There's a fair bit of what you've put up that has symbolism
intrinsically woven through (Revelation quotes) and deeper teachings
that can only be understood if scriptures are read on their merits,
rather than being coloured with what you are looking to find.

Note that nothing requires that Revelation 12:7-9 is not literal, just
as nothing requires that the following Revelation references to Satan
are not literal: "And they worshipped the dragon" (Revelation 13:4);
"And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of
the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the
mouth of the false prophet" (Revelation 16:13); "And I saw an angel
come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a
great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old
serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand
years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set
a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the
thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed
a little season ... And when the thousand years are expired, Satan
shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the
nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the
sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and
compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and
fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And
the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be
tormented day and night for ever and ever ...  And whosoever was
not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire"
(Revelation 20:1-3,7-10,15); cf. "Depart from me, ye cursed, into
everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels ... And these
shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life
eternal" (Matthew 25:41,46).

Note that these scriptures, just as the following scriptures, need not
be colored at all to arrive at the clear and proper understanding that
Satan is an individual spiritual being like the angels: "Now there was
a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the
LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto
Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and
said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and
down in it" (Job 1:6-8). "And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD
rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem
rebuke thee" (Zechariah 3:2).

We would have to put on some funky-colored glasses to be able to
read all of the scriptures quoted in this post and somehow arrive at
the misunderstanding that Satan is not an individual spiritual being,
like Michael the archangel and the angels are individual spiritual
beings. And no matter how hard we may try to find any verses in the
Bible which actually say or require that Satan is not an individual
spiritual being, we will not be able to find any such verses.

k2svpete posted in message #19 of this thread:

Even then, the pattern of what you are trying to paint fails a simple
chronology test. Check it out for yourself, have a look at the
assertions and the events you are ascribing to as a chronicle of
what has happened with the devil against where they appear in
scripture. It doesn't even remotely flow.

Note that there has been no failure of chronology, for the verses
referenced in this thread which refer to Satan have not yet been
placed in chronological order. Ezekiel 28:13-15, Isaiah 14:12-14, and
Genesis 3 happened first, when a perfect Lucifer first fell and became
Satan. Then Job 1:6-8, Jude 1:9, and Zechariah 3:2 happened in the
ancient past. Then Matthew 4 and 1 Peter 5:8 happened in the first
century (1 Peter 5:8 is still going on today). And Revelation 12:7-9,
Revelation 13:4-10, Revelation 16:13, Revelation 20, and Matthew
25:41,46 will happen in the future, in that order. So the chronological
flow is just fine with the scriptures which prove so clearly that Satan
is an individual spiritual being, like the archangel Michael and the
angels are individual spiritual beings.