Who should be allowed to adopt?

HaloHope · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
OliieFranz,
which is the dangerous one?

Are there any real gay parents? The friends I know who are 'gay' and 'lesbian' are very loving but they cant have children between them. For Christians of course its against God's purpose, its not natural and its pschologically damaging to the children, common sense to us and some studies show this

Ah I see you meant studies like:

http://www.adoptioninstitute.org/policy/2006_Expanding_Resources_for_Children.php

"Against a backdrop of increasing public acceptance, social science research concludes that children reared by gay and lesbian parents fare comparably to those of children raised by heterosexuals on a range of measures of social and psychological adjustment."

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear Halohope,
Many thanks for the repsonse and the evidence. Sadly I dont belieev it any more than you believe my research evidence. Would you like me to offer some from Narth?

But I follow the Bible, God's word and purpose

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa,
On the contrary it is a command to disciples to take care of orphans.
I have done so already with citing the Breakdown Britian report, I am aksing you now for some research [/FONT]

I already provided some above but I'll be sure to look for others.

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear Halohope,
Many thanks for the repsonse and the evidence. Sadly I dont belieev it any more than you believe my research evidence. Would you like me to offer some from Narth?

But I follow the Bible, God's word and purpose

This the issue. No matter how credible our sources are, you're not going to believe them.

We gave you reasons why your source did not support the idea that same sex parents will have a negative effect on the children. Why don't you tell us why you don't believe the sources we provide?

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear naotmaa,
Actually not necessarily, but all my experience shows me the biological mother and father is an even more significant issue than just having a male and female.
But I believe God knows best anyway.

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa,
Actually not necessarily, but all my experience shows me the biological mother and father is an even more significant issue than just having a male and female.
But I believe God knows best anyway.

Well I respect your beliefs. But, to the children of gays or lesbian parents their mothers or fathers ARE their parents. They're the ones who taught them how to walk, talk, potty train them, hold their hand on the first day of school, nursed them when they were sick, etc.

I have friends of gay/ lesbian parents. They don't suffer froom the negative influences or pychological damages that you have suggested. They love their parents. And why wouldn't they? These were the people that raised them.

I know you don't believe its right because you believe the Bible says that it is not right, but the reality is there is nothing wrong with it.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear naotmaa

But, to the children of gays or lesbian parents

Yes but not same sex couples. Same sex couples cant concieve children. Who do you now mean by gay and lesbian parents?
You mean adoptive parents

I have friends of gay/ lesbian parents.

but they arent same-sex couples.

They don't suffer froom the negative influences or pychological damages that you have suggested. They love their parents. And why wouldn't they? These were the people that raised them.

Well indeed whay wouldnt they but people who are pshycologically affected still tend to love their parents.

I know you don't believe its right because you believe the Bible says that it is not right, but the reality is there is nothing wrong with it.

Well I respect you have your views

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa
Yes but not same sex couples. Same sex couples cant concieve children. Who do you now mean by gay and lesbian parents?
You mean adoptive parents

When I said gay/lesbian parents I meant same sex parents. I see no difference between adoptive parents and biological parents. They're both able to raise responsible, smart, loving kids.

but they arent same-sex couples.
Well indeed whay wouldnt they but people who are pshycologically affected still tend to love their parents.

As I said before, my friends are not "pshycologically affected".

Well I respect you have your views

OllieFranz · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear OllieFranz,
Only by a miracle. In the natural two people of the same sex cant concieve children.
On the contrary I have just said disciples are commanded to look after orphans. and James 1:27 was the very instruction I had in mind, but disciples are also taught that same-sex relationships are error so I meant disciples.

These responses are totally unconnected with anything they are supposed to be in response to.

You say that adoptive parents are only real parents by a miracle? Exactly what is that supposed to mean? That the adoption agency doesn't place children? That they just disappear from the orphanage (or the "group home" and "beam into" their God-given adoptive home?

And in the second question I was only following your logic about adoptive parents.

No where in that post did I indicate whether the adoptive parents were same-sex or cross-sex.

Maybe if you were to read the posts instead of giving a knee-jerk response to what you assume it is about, we could have a conversation.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear naotmaa

When I said gay/lesbian parents I meant same sex parents. I see no difference between adoptive parents and biological parents.

Well thats just major denial. Two people of the same sex cant produce children, whereas two people of the opposite sex can. I can see anything more major as a difference where the subject of the conversation is the children.
I am afraid we cant really converse very well as what you say is to me a complete nonsense. You seem to see everything in terms of hetero or homosexuality.

brightmorningstar · Aug 16, 2007

Dear OllieFranz,
I think you have missed the point that your definition of parent is whoever cares/raises the child while it grows up, yet mine distinguishes between two parents who can create the child in the first place and two who cant
Thats about as big a difference as one can have

naotmaa · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa
Well thats just major denial. Two people of the same sex cant produce children, whereas two people of the opposite sex can. I can see anything more major as a difference where the subject of the conversation is the children.
I am afraid we cant really converse very well as what you say is to me a complete nonsense. You seem to see everything in terms of hetero or homosexuality.

So you define parents just as those who gave birth to the children? Adoptive parents are not parents? I don't understand exactly what you are trying to say.

No I think you got it wrong. You see everything in terms as hetero and homosexuality.
I don't care if a child's parents are of the same sex or the opposite sex. It only matters that the child is raised in a caring and loving home, where the child is taught everything she/he neds to do in order to grow up well. This can occur in any type of home. It doesn't matter what the sexual orientation of the parents are. However you seem to care even though there is no basis for you to do so.

OllieFranz · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear OllieFranz,
I think you have missed the point that your definition of parent is whoever cares/raises the child while it grows up, yet mine distinguishes between two parents who can create the child in the first place and two who cant
Thats about as big a difference as one can have

So answer my question. Are adoptive parents real parents or not? (Hint: I didn't miss the point. You did.)

LostUntilSaved · Aug 16, 2007

Anyone should be allowed to adopt a child.

OllieFranz · Aug 16, 2007

And no one who has posted against the issue of adoption by gays has yet answered my first question.

Why do you prefer to condemn innocent children to being raised in orphanages and in indifferent foster care than to allow them to be adopted by loving families?

BigBadWlf · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear OllieFranz,
I think you have missed the point that your definition of parent is whoever cares/raises the child while it grows up, yet mine distinguishes between two parents who can create the child in the first place and two who cant
Thats about as big a difference as one can have

Are you really trying to claim that adoptive parents are somehow not parents?
Or are you trying to claim that it is just adoptive parents from specific minorities are not parent?

irateional · Aug 16, 2007

OllieFranz said:
And no one who has posted against the issue of adoption by gays has yet answered my first question.

Why do you prefer to condemn innocent children to being raised in orphanages and in indifferent foster care than to allow them to be adopted by loving families?

They won't. They'll ignore you like they ignore me. You can go on and on about how Jesus changed the nature of man's relationship with God from one based around sin and the efforts to absolve man of it, to a relationship where we aren't preoccupied with sin..and well yeah.

Ugh. I'm about ready to give up on it all.

Ohioprof · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
OliieFranz,
which is the dangerous one?

Are there any real gay parents? The friends I know who are 'gay' and 'lesbian' are very loving but they cant have children between them. For Christians of course its against God's purpose, its not natural and its pschologically damaging to the children, common sense to us and some studies show this

What studies show this?

Ohioprof · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa,
On the contrary it is a command to disciples to take care of orphans.
I have done so already with citing the Breakdown Britian report, I am aksing you now for some research [/FONT]

That report is not a study of same-sex parents. It does not show what you are trying to claim.

Ohioprof · Aug 16, 2007

brightmorningstar said:
Dear naotmaa,
On the contrary it is a command to disciples to take care of orphans.
I have done so already with citing the Breakdown Britian report, I am aksing you now for some research [/FONT]

Here is some of the research:

The Effects of Marriage, Civil Union, and Domestic Partnership Laws on the Health and Well-being of Children, (American Academy of Pediatrics, Pediatrics: Vol. 118 No. 1 July 2006, pp. 349-364)
Expanding Resources for Children: Is Adoption By Gays and Lesbians Part of the Answer for Boys and Girls Who Need Homes? (Jeanne Howard, Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, March 2006)
The High Cost of Denying Permanency (Prepared by Carl A. Schuh, J.D., M.A. and Karen M. Doering, J.D.)
Psychosocial Adjustment, School Outcomes, and Romantic Relationships of Adolescents With Same-Sex Parents (Child Development, Dec. 2004)
Technical Report: Coparent or Second-Parent Adoption by Same-Sex Parents (Ellen C. Perrin, American Academy of Pediatrics, 2002)
Adoption by Lesbians and Gays: A National Survey of Adoption Agency Policies, Practices, and Attitudes (Evan B. Donaldson Adoption Institute, 2003)
Lesbian and Gay Parenting: Summary of Research Findings (Charlotte J. Patterson, American Psychological Association, 1995)
The Cost of Marriage Inequality to Children and Their Same-Sex Parents (Human Rights Campaign Foundation, 2005)

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Heterosexuals

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Bisexuals

Non Christians or other religions

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