Who Saved You and Why?

[bbbbbbb]

I agree. "I know my sheep, and my sheep know me—just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep" (Jn 10:14-15).

Not to mention, as well,

John 10:27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.

 

[Siddhi Koli]

When I read the story of Jesus or the Holy Bible on the computer and I was depressed because I could not walk and I saw the Holy Spirit (in the spiritual). The Holy Spirit saved me.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I read the story of Jesus Christ or the Holy Bible on the computer

That is wonderful! Praise God!

 

[Siddhi Koli]

That is wonderful! Praise God!

When I read the story of Jesus or the Holy Bible on the computer and I was depressed because I could not walk and I saw the Holy Spirit (in the spiritual). The Holy Spirit saved me.

Thank you

 

[BNR32FAN]

"No one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him" (Jn 6:65; cf. v. 44).




Even in the face of such threats, some come to Christ and others don't. So, the existence of threats doesn't explain.

Even some who have been called still refuse to come. Romans 2:4-5

 

[Brightfame52]

Even some who have been called still refuse to come. Romans 2:4-5

Not if they are called according to Gods Purpose. Such as they are conformed to the Image of Christ and Glorified Rom 8:28-31

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Not if they are called according to Gods Purpose. Such as they are conformed to the Image of Christ and Glorified Rom 8:28-31

28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Yeah all of this is in reference to those that love God. He made that clear in verse 28.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yeah all of this is in reference to those that love God. He made that clear in verse 28.

Thats a result . Gods Purpose before time, and Gods predestination before time, and Gods call in time, precedes any love a sinner has for God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thats a result . Gods Purpose before time, and Gods predestination before time, and Gods call in time, precedes any love a sinner has for God.

Yeah and they were chosen according to what? His foreknowledge.

 

[Clare73]

Yeah and they were chosen according to what? His foreknowledge.

Keeping in mind that the meaning of divine foreknowledge is not God knowing in advance what man is going to do, but
God knowing in advance what he is going to do because he has already decreed that he shall do it and, therefore, it shall happen.

God knows who is going to be saved, not because he knows who is going to believe, but because he knows whom he has decreed from before the foundations of the world shall believe.

Looking down the road into the future regarding man, what God sees is all mankind born without the Holy Spirit (unregenerate); i.e., blind (John 3:3-8), not able to understand the things of God, not accepting them because they are foolishness to him (1 Corinthians 2:14), and hostile to God (Romans 8:7-8).

God does not choose anyone because of the person's right choice, for there can be none in their unregenerate state.
Rather, the person's right choice is because God first chose him to be regenerated (John 3:8).

 

[BBAS 64]

Yeah and they were chosen according to what? His foreknowledge.

Good Day,

Yes so long as you are using the verb (something he does), and compared to noun (something he knows).

He foreknows people, not things about them.

In Him,

Bill

 

[BNR32FAN]

Good Day,

Yes so long as you are using the verb (something he does), and compared to noun (something he knows).

He foreknows people, not things about them.

In Him,

Bill

God foreknows everything the people and their actions and His decision (predestination) which simply means to choose, appoint, or ordain beforehand is based on His knowledge of those who will abide in Christ and endure to the end. God doesn’t choose who will abide in Christ nor does He choose who will repent and believe, He simply wrote the names of those who would endure in the book of life before creation.

 

[Clare73]

God foreknows everything the people and their actions and His decision (predestination) which simply means to choose, appoint, or ordain beforehand is based on His knowledge of those who will abide in Christ and endure to the end. God doesn’t choose who will abide in Christ nor does He choose who will repent and believe, He simply wrote the names of those who would endure in the book of life before creation.

That is not the Biblical meaning of divine foreknowledge.

For that, see post #150, above.

 

[Brightfame52]

Yeah and they were chosen according to what? His foreknowledge.

Thats false, all God saw in any of us is sin and more sin.

 

[Brightfame52]

What causes a person to become a christian is the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world. And they are justified by his blood. As the Lord of glory said, this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

This is why you are all commanded to repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. As it is written, whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

You seem confused, which brings remission of sins, Jesus shedding His Blood Matt 26:28 or repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins?

 

[Rescued One]

You seem confused, which brings remission of sins, Jesus shedding His Blood Matt 26:28 or repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins?

That's the teaching of SDA's and likely others. If a person agrees to baptism are his sins absolutely remitted and does he never sin again for fear of losing his salvation?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Keeping in mind that the meaning of divine foreknowledge is not God knowing in advance what man is going to do, but
God knowing in advance what he is going to do because he has already decreed that he shall do it and, therefore, it shall happen.

God knows who is going to be saved, not because he knows who is going to believe, but because he knows whom he has decreed from before the foundations of the world shall believe.

Looking down the road into the future regarding man, what God sees is all mankind born without the Holy Spirit (unregenerate); i.e., blind (John 3:3-8), not able to understand the things of God, not accepting them because they are foolishness to him (1 Corinthians 2:14), and hostile to God (Romans 8:7-8).

God does not choose anyone because of the person's right choice, for there can be none in their unregenerate state.
Rather, the person's right choice is because God first chose him to be regenerated (John 3:8).

Your interpretation is incorrect. None of these verses say that a person can’t repent and believe the gospel. You think 1 Corinthians 2:14 is saying that a person can’t believe the gospel if they are not spiritually appraised? Read the beginning of the very next chapter.

“And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Did these Corinthians believe the gospel? Yes they did believe. We’re they Spiritually appraised? No they weren’t, just as Paul said in chapter 3. Even tho they weren’t spiritually appraised they were still “infants in Christ”. So your interpretation of this passage is incorrect since it’s obvious that these fleshly Corinthians were able to believe the gospel while they were still not spiritually appraised.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thats false, all God saw in any of us is sin and more sin.

Wrong again because He saw the blood of Christ which made us Holy, blameless, and beyond reproach.

 

[Clare73]

Your interpretation is incorrect. None of these verses say that a person can’t repent and believe the gospel. You think 1 Corinthians 2:14 is saying that a person can’t believe the gospel if they are not spiritually appraised?
Read the beginning of the very next chapter.
“And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ. I gave you milk to drink, not solid food; for you were not yet able to receive it. Indeed, even now you are not yet able, for you are still fleshly. For since there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly, and are you not walking like mere men?”

‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬
Did these Corinthians believe the gospel? Yes they did believe.
We’re they Spiritually appraised? No they weren’t,
just as Paul said in chapter 3. Even tho they weren’t spiritually appraised they were still “infants in Christ”. So your interpretation of this passage is incorrect since it’s obvious that
these fleshly Corinthians were able to believe the gospel while they were still not spiritually appraised.

In 1 Corinthians 2:12-3:4, Paul uses "spiritual" in two different ways--of all mankind; and of Christians:
1) to distinguish between regenerate and unregenerate mankind,
---regenerate are spiritual, can understand and accept the things that come from the Spirit (2:12-13),
---unregenerate are not spiritual, cannot understand, accept the things that come from the Spirit (2:14),
and which is what God sees when he looks down the road into the future regarding all mankind;

2) to distinguish between the spiritual and carnal Christians,
---the mature Christian is spiritual with the ability to spiritually appraise/discern/judge all things (2:15),
---the immature Christian is carnal, still a babe in Christ--regenerate, but not ready for solid food (3:1-2).

So, yes. . .the carnal/fleshly (not spiritual) Christians (regenerated) were able to believe the gospel while they were still fleshly and not ready for solid food.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You seem confused, which brings remission of sins, Jesus shedding His Blood Matt 26:28 or repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for remission of sins?

Jesus shed His blood for everyone in the entire world but His atonement will only be applied to those who repent and believe and abide in Him to the end.