Who of us can Judge

[Floatingaxe]

In the midst of a world rampant with divorce and Christians who just give up, this is a blessing!!! To God be the glory!!!

I get so excited to hear our pastor announce a 50th+ or 60th+ wedding anniversary.

Thank you, Zaac! God is good!

 

[Zaac]

In the end, you can not interfere with a homosexual and you can't tell them to stop being a homosexual. You can only tell them find God.

But you have to INTERFERE with them to be able to witness Christ and the truth of His Word that makes men free.

I can certainly tell them that they need to stop committing their homosexual acts and explain to them why using God's Word.

This , again, is how folks come to realize their need for a Savior.

Interfere. PLEASE, for the love of JESUS, interfere.

 

[UberLutheran]

But you have to INTERFERE with them to be able to witness Christ and the truth of His Word that makes men free.

I can certainly tell them that they need to stop committing their [fill in the blank] acts and explain to them why using God's Word.

The reason I use [fill in the blank] is because I have some blanks for you to fill in, and I want to ask if you believe these are areas where one legitimately should interfere.

For [fill in the blank] use:

• Roman Catholicism, Orthodox. Should one interfere with the practice of their faith?
• Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist. Should one interfere with the practice of their faith?
• Arminian. Should one interfere with the practice of their faith?
• Democrat, liberal, socialist. Are these beliefs compatible with Christianity, and should one use Scripture to interfere with these beliefs?
• Anti-war, anti-Bush. Can one not support this President and his war and still be a Christian?

I'm just curious -- I don't really expect you to answer the questions, but in case you do -- here are the questions.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,

That's just it.

All authority has been given to Jesus Christ, not to you.

And that is why I cited Jesus Christ’s NT teaching. So why do you dispute what you claim is authorative?

All of you who wield Scripture as a weapon should take care not to harm your own selves.

Scripture is useful for teaching and rebuking if you are not willing to be taught or rebuked it is a weapon.

(The whole "plank in the eye" thing.)

The whole thing??? Jesus said first remove the plank from our own eye before removing the speck from our brother. What is the plank? Judgement? ok we will stop judging, we will restore our brothers gently, and you can remove the speck from your own eye. Are you happy with that or have you really no intention to remove the speck from your own eye, in other words accept that same-sex sex is error.?

Proof texting is no way to live the life of God.

Yes it is, living out what the proof text is, living out opposite to the proof text is no way to live the life of God.

 

[Zaac]

The reason I use [fill in the blank] is because I have some blanks for you to fill in, and I want to ask if you believe these are areas where one legitimately should interfere.

For [fill in the blank] use:

• Roman Catholicism, Orthodox. Should one interfere with the practice of their faith?

If the practice of this faith has the person doing something contrary to God's Word, yep.

• Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist. Should one interfere with the practice of their faith?

If the practice of this faith has the person doing something contrary to God's Word, yep.

• Arminian. Should one interfere with the practice of their faith?

If the practice of this faith has the person doing something contrary to God's Word, yep.

• Democrat, liberal, socialist. Are these beliefs compatible with Christianity, and should one use Scripture to interfere with these beliefs?

If the practice of this faith has the person doing something contrary to God's Word, yep.

• Anti-war, anti-Bush. Can one not support this President and his war and still be a Christian?

If the practice of this faith has the person doing something contrary to God's Word, yep.

I'm just curious -- I don't really expect you to answer the questions, but in case you do -- here are the questions.

What did you ask them for if you didn't expect an answer? You seem to be on a witchhunt for hypocrisy. None here.

It's not an issue of who you are, what your denomination may be, what your orientation is, what your social status may be, or of what political party you are a member of.

If it goes against God's Word, God's people need to let you know. Like the young people today say, "I'm not skurred to let you know the truth. "

I love our President because he is the one God has placed in authority. But could not vote for him because of comments that he publicly made that ran contrary to God's Word. And though he was rebuked and corrected by some pretty sound men of faith, he made them again.

As I've said before, my desire to be pleasing to Jesus Christ FIRST, supersedes my desire to be pleasing to men.

Upsets therationale of a lot of people. But that tends to happen when you align yourself with God's Word.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,

And that is why I cited Jesus Christ’s NT teaching. So why do you dispute what you claim is authorative?

Scripture is useful for teaching and rebuking if you are not willing to be taught or rebuked it is a weapon.

The whole thing??? Jesus said first remove the plank from our own eye before removing the speck from our brother. What is the plank? Judgement? ok we will stop judging, we will restore our brothers gently, and you can remove the speck from your own eye. Are you happy with that or have you really no intention to remove the speck from your own eye, in other words accept that same-sex sex is error.?

Yes it is, living out what the proof text is, living out opposite to the proof text is no way to live the life of God.

Here are some of Jesus' authoritative words, my friend:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

I am absolutely stunned at the ability of people who call themselves Christian, and yet they neglect the poor and needy, the widow, the orphan and stranger, and instead go after gay people.

What has any of that to do with the Reign of Christ?

It appears many of you think the Kingdom is too small and you want to "pull up the ladder" so that others may not enter it. You seem fear a vengeful Divinity who is more interested in keeping score on small matters, while leaving the biggest issues in the dust.

That is not my brand of Christianity. I want no part of the Pharisaic, legalistic, scorekeeping that some of you call the Good News. If you think that is all there is to Jesus' message, then you have missed it.

 

[UberLutheran]

Coincidently you do come across very prideful and arrogant....since you brought it up......
and sometimes you are downright belligerent.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

 

[Zaac]

Here are some of Jesus' authoritative words, my friend:

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

And dealing with the text and the FULL COUNSEL of God's Word it means exactly what it says; If you are sinless then throw the first stone at her.

That in NOWAY is a prohibition against judging. They wanted to kill this lady over sin. If they were gonna kill her for her sin, they would have to righteously judge and kill one another for their just as equal sin.

I am absolutely stunned at the ability of people who call themselves Christian, and yet they neglect the poor and needy, the widow, the orphan and stranger, and instead go after gay people.

Today's Christians are multitaskers. We can meet the needs of those God told us to and use His Word to correct the homosexual offender and bake a mean apple pie all in one lifetime.

Ain't God good?

What has any of that to do with the Reign of Christ?

You're asking what the Written Word of God has to do with the Living Word of God.

It appears many of you think the Kingdom is too small and you want to "pull up the ladder" so that others may not enter it.

On the contrary. Like the Muslims, you're giving people the perception that they can sin, justify it, and be honkey dorey. You're leading them to a lie.

If someone wants to enter, they have to enter by Jesus. So stop attempting to fashion a fake jesus who is okay with sin for them.

You seem fear a vengeful Divinity who is more interested in keeping score on small matters, while leaving the biggest issues in the dust.

You told me that you are a Christian. How long may I ask because that statement demands introspection on your part.

SIN=SIN=SIN

God keeps tabs of EVERYTHING. You will give an account for EVERYTHING. It ALL, big and small, matters.

That is not my brand of Christianity.

Then by your own admission, you are not a follower of Jesus Christ.

I want no part of the Pharisaic, legalistic, scorekeeping that some of you call the Good News. If you think that is all there is to Jesus' message, then you have missed it.

You're exhibiting a very good reason as to why a lot of Christians do not spiritually grow. You want God on your terms.

God is God ALONE. He keeps score, and expects His people to point out wrong to each other. You just want to wallow in sin and not have anyone say anything to you about it.

It is not the call of a Holy God that His people sit back and be nonresponsive to the stumbling block placed by one who says he is a Cristian but refuses to acknowledge that what God says is true.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

And dealing with the text and the FULL COUNSEL of God's Word it means exactly what it says; If you are sinless then throw the first stone at her.

That in NOWAY is a prohibition against judging. They wanted to kill this lady over sin. If they were gonna kill her for her sin, they would have to righteously judge and kill one another for their just as equal sin.



Today's Christians are multitaskers. We can meet the needs of those God told us to and use His Word to correct the homosexual offender and bake a mean apple pie all in one lifetime.

Ain't God good?



You're asking what the Written Word of God has to do with the Living Word of God.



On the contrary. Like the Muslims, you're giving people the perception that they can sin, justify it, and be honkey dorey. You're leading them to a lie.

If someone wants to enter, they have to enter by Jesus. So stop attempting to fashion a fake jesus who is okay with sin for them.



You told me that you are a Christian. How long may I ask because that statement demands introspection on your part.

SIN=SIN=SIN

God keeps tabs of EVERYTHING. You will give an account for EVERYTHING. It ALL, big and small, matters.



Then by your own admission, you are not a follower of Jesus Christ.



You're exhibiting a very good reason as to why a lot of Christians do not spiritually grow. You want God on your terms.

God is God ALONE. He keeps score, and expects His people to point out wrong to each other. You just want to wallow in sin and not have anyone say anything to you about it.

It is not the call of a Holy God that His people sit back and be nonresponsive to the stumbling block placed by one who says he is a Cristian but refuses to acknowledge that what God says is true.

You exhibit a tremendous amount of ignorance about my own spiritual journey.

And you do so with a tremendous lack of Christian charity.

I am done with you and your judging.
See you at the Heavenly Banquet.
May God bless you on your way to it.

 

[Zaac]

You exhibit a tremendous amount of ignorance about my own spiritual journey.

I'm not pointing out anything that your comments aren't displaying. If your entire spiritual journey has been as wrought with lies and twists of the truth as has been the case with your growth and understanding about what God says about the committing of homosexual acts, then the Church needs to be ashamed.

And you do so with a tremendous lack of Christian charity.

This has nothing to do with charity, but everything to do with your inability to call wrong exactly what it is.

And when people can't do that, there is something wrong.

I am done with you and your judging.
See you at the Heavenly Banquet.
May God bless you on your way to it.

You can rest assured that if you're looking for someone to not judge your actions, you better go start your own little exclusive club because the followers of Jesus Christ will be aligned in doing what HE says to do, not what disobedient people want us to do.

 

[WarEagle]

[quote=Carey;36825870]Who of us can Judge [/quote]

Depends what we're judging, by what criteria we're judging it, and by what authority we judge it.

In many cases where Christians are condemned for judging (in itself a judgement on the part of the person telling us that we're wrong for judging), it is not us who are judging, but God who has judged and we're just passing word of that judgement on.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,

Here are some of Jesus' authoritative words, my friend:

excuse me? Were the ones I have not Jesus’ authoritative words?

[quote ]"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" [/quote] yes I agree What I am asking is why do I agree with all Jesus NT teaching but you don’t agree with some? Also ‘go and sin no more’

I am absolutely stunned at the ability of people who call themselves Christian, and yet they neglect the poor and needy, the widow, the orphan and stranger, and instead go after gay people.

Christians don’t neglect helping the poor and needy and the widow and orphan, they also keep themselves from being polluted by the world. James 1:27

What has any of that to do with the Reign of Christ?

you only seem to quote half the gospel

That is not my brand of Christianity. I want no part of the Pharisaic, legalistic, scorekeeping that some of you call the Good News. If you think that is all there is to Jesus' message, then you have missed it.

well by your own citations you only have half the gospel.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
excuse me? Were the ones I have not Jesus’ authoritative words?

[quote ]"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

yes I agree What I am asking is why do I agree with all Jesus NT teaching but you don’t agree with some? Also ‘go and sin no more’

Christians don’t neglect helping the poor and needy and the widow and orphan, they also keep themselves from being polluted by the world. James 1:27

you only seem to quote half the gospel

well by your own citations you only have half the gospel. [/QUOTE]
The half you never quote.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
In fact the opposite is true, when quoting the passage from John 8 I always refer to not casting the first stone and sinning no more, you didnt. Casting the first stome is about punishment not judgement, you implied it was about judgement. The Pharisees had judged her guilty of adultery and were going to stone her, Jesus prevents that condemnation but we know she was guilty because He told her to sin no more.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Exactly. Good post!

Depends what we're judging, by what criteria we're judging it, and by what authority we judge it.

In many cases where Christians are condemned for judging (in itself a judgement on the part of the person telling us that we're wrong for judging), it is not us who are judging, but God who has judged and we're just passing word of that judgement on.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Right.

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
In fact the opposite is true, when quoting the passage from John 8 I always refer to not casting the first stone and sinning no more, you didnt. Casting the first stome is about punishment not judgement, you implied it was about judgement. The Pharisees had judged her guilty of adultery and were going to stone her, Jesus prevents that condemnation but we know she was guilty because He told her to sin no more.