Who of us can Judge

[ReformedChapin]

I do judge my own life

And I do not promote sin.

Your suggestion that I do is a LIE.

You judge your life by your own standard, not Gods.

 

[IamRedeemed]

Amen!

We ARE supposed to rebuke our Christian brothers if they are living in sin though.

19 My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20

5 Better is open rebuke than hidden love. 6 Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.
Proverbs 27:5-6


There is a BIG difference between correcting and rebuking in order to bring someone to repentance...
and casting a stone, judging them, and wanting them to be punished for their sin.

 

[Zaac]

You are attempting to pronounce judgment over my own heart and life, and the hearts & lives of numerous others on this board.

Man, stop being melodramatic. I said we could judge actions. I didn't say anything about judging your heart or anyone else's. That's what God does.

But I can surely righteously judge the things that you do.

I reject your notion that God has called you to judge others:

Okay. God rejects your notion that we're not called to judge the actions of others. I can back mine up with the Full Counsel of His Word. Can you do the same?

You cannot make a righteous judgment because you have not yet pulled the plank out of your own eye. Had you done so you would have used a lot more humility and a lot less hubris.

Why are you commenting on righteous judgment and why you think I fall short of being able to do it if, as you say, you reject the notion that God has called me to judge?

And you're continuing to speak with no understanding of the Scripture. The verse of which you speak is talking about not being hypocritical about what somebody is doing if you're doing the same thing.

Puffed up - that is how you come across.

Heard it all before. That's the retort of people who don't want to hear the truth, and don't want anyone to tell them what God says about their actions.

There's nothing puffed up about me. I'm just very to the point about what God says and have no problem using His Word to show you why you're wrong.

Most people don't like this because either they take God's Word as the first and final purveyor of truth, or they realize that the faith they say they have in Jesus, they don't really have.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

You judge your life by your own standard, not Gods.

You mind your own business. You do not know me.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Man, stop being melodramatic. I said we could judge actions. I didn't say anything about judging your heart or anyone else's. That's what God does.

But I can surely righteously judge the things that you do.

OK. Please make a judgment on my actions. Let's see what you can come up with.

Okay. God rejects your notion that we're not called to judge the actions of others. I can back mine up with the Full Counsel of His Word. Can you do the same?

I am not attempting to judge your actions.

Why are you commenting on righteous judgment and why you think I fall short of being able to do it if, as you say, you reject the notion that God has called me to judge?

If he has called you to judge, why is there still a plank in your eye?

 

[IamRedeemed]

You mind your own business. You do not know me.

Your words betray you. You are known by what you state you believe, which is in opposition to rather than in alignment with the will and ways of the Lord.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

Jesus said, "....out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." Matthew 12:34b

as well as Jesus also said, "For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:44-46

 

[PostTribber]

to forgive someone I must first judge that I have been sinned against by someone, as it is written, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." and if this be the standard by which we judge, we judge according to truth and not according to what is perceived.

 

[Zaac]

OK. Please make a judgment on my actions. Let's see what you can come up with.

Give me one. The point was brought up in a Debates on Homosexuality forum. Give me an action and we'll apply God's Word to it.

I am not attempting to judge your actions.

In not attempting to judge my actions, you already made a judgment.

If he has called you to judge, why is there still a plank in your eye?

You seem to be under the perception that a person has to be PERFECT to righteously judge? Is that what God's Word says?

I'm sure that I do have a plank in my eye in many different areas. As I said yesterday, we're all a work in progress.

But this has specifically been in relation to the committing of homosexual acts. There ain't no plank in my eye in this regard. And thus, I can righteously(vs hypocritically) judge the actions of those who are engaging in homosexual acts.

 

[Zaac]

Your words betray you. You are known by what you state you believe, which is in opposition to rather than in alignment with the will and ways of the Lord.

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

Jesus said, "....out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks." Matthew 12:34b

as well as Jesus also said, "For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks. And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Luke 6:44-46

God's Word just feeds the Spirit.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,

I do judge my own life

Then incorrectly

And I do not promote sin.

You afirm and promote what according to the Bible is sin.

Your suggestion that I do is a LIE.

then you dont believe the truth of God's or Jesus teaching
I believe Jesus Christ is the truth and I think what you are saying is a lie.
Now can we discuss why we believe as we do. Genesis 2 says that God created woman for man, it was for this reasons that a man shall leave His father and mother and be united with his wife and the two shall become one flesh, affirmed by Jesus NT teaching Matt 19, Mark 10, Eph 5, 1 Cor 6, Heb 13.
The Bible condemns same-sex acts as wicked, and error, Gen 19, Lev 18 & 20, Judges 19, 1 Cor 6, Romans 1, 1 Tim 1, 2 Peter 2, Jude 1.

I think its the truth.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Give me one. The point was brought up in a Debates on Homosexuality forum. Give me an action and we'll apply God's Word to it.



In not attempting to judge my actions, you already made a judgment.



You seem to be under the perception that a person has to be PERFECT to righteously judge? Is that what God's Word says?

I'm sure that I do have a plank in my eye in many different areas. As I said yesterday, we're all a work in progress.

But this has specifically been in relation to the committing of homosexual acts. There ain't no plank in my eye in this regard. And thus, I can righteously(vs hypocritically) judge the actions of those who are engaging in homosexual acts.

Have fun in the self appointed judgment seat.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
Then incorrectly

Rubbish. You are in no position to make such a claim.

Yet you will continue to do so. History tells us this.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
I have every right to make such a statement, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus Christ.... and I have cited evidence.
As it stands I have yet to see any scripture to support what you are saying. Yet you continue to dispute the word of God.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
I have every right to make such a statement, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus Christ.... and I have cited evidence.
As it stands I have yet to see any scripture to support what you are saying. Yet you continue to dispute the word of God.

That's just it.

All authority has been given to Jesus Christ, not to you.

 

[Zaac]

Have fun in the self appointed judgment seat.

God appointed Judges in the OT and He has appointed the Saints as judges today.

And if that is a concept beyond your ken, take it to the Cross.

The Holy Spirit makes it very clear when people know they have heard the truth, and I know that you know that you have heard the truth.

At this point, you have no defense for your actions and that's why you haven't given any Biblical affirmation for what you want to do.

 

[Zaac]

Dear Chalice_Thunder,
I have every right to make such a statement, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus Christ.... and I have cited evidence.
As it stands I have yet to see any scripture to support what you are saying. Yet you continue to dispute the word of God.

Yep. The saints are in one accord. And still ain't seen that Scriptural support Chalice.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

God appointed Judges in the OT and He has appointed the Saints as judges today.

And if that is a concept beyond your ken, take it to the Cross.

The Holy Spirit makes it very clear when people know they have heard the truth, and I know that you know that you have heard the truth.

At this point, you have no defense for your actions and that's why you haven't given any Biblical affirmation for what you want to do.

What actions?

 

[Zaac]

What actions?

The ones you continue to say that I can't judge.

 

[Floatingaxe]

That's just it.

All authority has been given to Jesus Christ, not to you.

Yes, Jesus specifically gave us, His Church, all of His authority. So, in that covering, we have the right to rebuke you, if you are a fellow Christian, and make you face the fact that you are doing wrong and sinning against God and yourself and your fellow man, and you must stop, if you want God to bless your life.

Step out from under the covering that God provides (i.e: the Church), and you forfeit right standing with God, due to your rebellion against Him.

Scripture is laden with examples of those who fall into rebellion. God is not to kind toward them.

Know God, know His forgiveness, and know a right standing before Him, and know true fellowship in the Body of Christ.

 

[ChaliceThunder]

All of you who wield Scripture as a weapon should take care not to harm your own selves.

(The whole "plank in the eye" thing.)