Who is the prophet in Deuteronomy 18:18?

[Noor Saffiyah]

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be completely equipped for every good work.
(The Word In Life Study Bible NKJV Thomas Nelson 1996)

Question: Would this be referencing the Bible that you are currently toting around? Or what other scripture would this be referring to?? 2 Timothy is estimated to have been written about 66 or 67 A.D. by Paul from prison in Rome.

The Canonization process for the HEBREW Bible (never mind the New Testament here) is estimated to have been completed between 90 CE and 100 CE and some scholars contend that it was not completed until around 250 CE to 300 CE. The Christian canonization process was completed after this.

Referring once again to the above referenced scripture passage what scripture is Paul referring to here?? What you have now? Can't be!! A Bible didn't exist then. It was all separate books. And alot more than there are now. How do you know that what you have is complete? You can't!! What about all the missing scripture that is reported to have been completely destroyed because it didn't 'fit' in with THE viewpoint of a select minority who were busy calling all of the shots?? Is he even referring to only Hebrew scripture? Doesn't say, does it??
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John 1:19-21...24

Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?"
He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." (Luke 3:15)
And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" (Matthew 11:14)
He said, "I am not."
Are you the Prophet?" (Duet 18:15, 18)
And he answered "No."

...Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees. And they asked him, saying, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

TWICE, in this passage John the Baptist is asked about THREE personages. Not TWO. THREE.


I would like to know if there are any Christians here who can answer their (the Pharisees) question as to who the Prophet is??? Because the Prophet mentioned is obviously not Christ, and not John the Baptist (Elijah). And it is also not referencing a Prophet that existed before that time, or during that time. It is referencing a Prophet to come. After Christ. After John the Baptist (Elijah).

 

[marc37]

tell me

 

[crystalpc]

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be completely equipped for every good work.
(The Word In Life Study Bible NKJV Thomas Nelson 1996)

Question: Would this be referencing the Bible that you are currently toting around? Or what other scripture would this be referring to?? 2 Timothy is estimated to have been written about 66 or 67 A.D. by Paul from prison in Rome

The Canonization process for the HEBREW Bible (never mind the New Testament here) is estimated to have been completed between 90 CE and 100 CE and some scholars contend that it was not completed until around 250 CE to 300 CE. The Christian canonization process was completed after this
Referring once again to the above referenced scripture passage what scripture is Paul referring to here?? What you have now? Can't be!! A Bible didn't exist then. It was all separate books. And alot more than there are now. How do you know that what you have is complete? You can't!! What about all the missing scripture that is reported to have been completely destroyed because it didn't 'fit' in with THE viewpoint of a select minority who were busy calling all of the shots?? Is he even referring to only Hebrew scripture? Doesn't say, does it??

The scripture Paul was speaking of here is the scripture Timothy learned from his mother Eunice who was a Jewess, which would be the OLD TESTAMENT

2Ti 1:5 When I call to remembrance the unfeigned faith that is in thee, which dwelt first in thy grandmother Lois, and thy mother Eunice; and I am persuaded that in thee also.

The most noted Old Testament translated into Greek is the Septuagint (also known as the LXX). The conventional thought is that the LXX was translated from the Hebrew text by Hellenistic Jews during the period from 275 to 100 BC at Alexandria, Egypt.
http://www.biblebc.com/Christian_Helps/Bible%20Versions/greek_septuagint.htm
http://mb-soft.com/believe/txc/septuagi.htm

Timothy was Jewish because his mother Eunice was a Jewess, his father was a Gentile

Act 16:1 Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there,named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek:

Act 16:2 Which was well reported of by the brethren that were at Lystra and Iconium.

Act 16:3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek.

The New Testament was in the process of being writen, although a few gospels were already in use in the church's.
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John 1:19-21...24

Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?"
He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." (Luke 3:15)
And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" (Matthew 11:14)
He said, "I am not."
Are you the Prophet?" (Duet 18:15, 18)
And he answered "No."

...Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees. And they asked him, saying, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

TWICE, in this passage John the Baptist is asked about THREE personages. Not TWO. THREE.


I would like to know if there are any Christians here who can answer their (the Pharisees) question as to who the Prophet is??? Because the Prophet mentioned is obviously not Christ, and not John the Baptist (Elijah). And it is also not referencing a Prophet that existed before that time, or during that time. It is referencing a Prophet to come. After Christ. After John the Baptist (Elijah).

You did not finish the testimony of John:
Joh 1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

Joh 1:27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

Joh 1:28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Joh 1:30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Joh 1:31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Joh 1:32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

Joh 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Joh 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

And then Jesus said of John:


Mat 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Mat 11:14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.

Mat 11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[peaceful soul]

peaceful soul I have to agree with you on the season. Because the shepherds were in the fields with their sheep. But I always thought John was born 6 months before Jesus, I will have to go back and reread about Johns conception.

Yes, you are correct. That is what I meant. I had made another mistake and I think messed that part up in trying to make my corrections. As soon as I can edit, I will correct that information.

 

[HumbleSiPilot77]

Good post Crystal! Amen!

 

[JCBeliever]

John 1:19-21...24

Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, "Who are you?"
He confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, "I am not the Christ." (Luke 3:15)
And they asked him, "What then? Are you Elijah?" (Matthew 11:14)
He said, "I am not."
Are you the Prophet?" (Duet 18:15, 18)
And he answered "No."

...Now those who were sent were from the Pharisees. And they asked him, saying, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

TWICE, in this passage John the Baptist is asked about THREE personages. Not TWO. THREE.


I would like to know if there are any Christians here who can answer their (the Pharisees) question as to who the Prophet is??? Because the Prophet mentioned is obviously not Christ, and not John the Baptist (Elijah). And it is also not referencing a Prophet that existed before that time, or during that time. It is referencing a Prophet to come. After Christ. After John the Baptist (Elijah).

John 6:14
After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."

John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is the Prophet."

Alot of people accept Jesus as the Prophet.

The Jews weren't 100% sure what was to happen.
The Jews seriously believe that Elijah is coming back, well John the Baptist was the second Elijah.
The Christ is the Prophet, because no prophet can be greater of supercede the Christ.
The Christ is the one all of the prophets spoke of.

 

[crystalpc]

John 6:14
After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they began to say, "Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the world."

John 7:40
On hearing his words, some of the people said, "Surely this man is the Prophet."

Alot of people accept Jesus as the Prophet.

The Jews weren't 100% sure what was to happen.
The Jews seriously believe that Elijah is coming back, well John the Baptist was the second Elijah.
The Christ is the Prophet, because no prophet can be greater of supercede the Christ.
The Christ is the one all of the prophets spoke of.

Yes you are right he was that prophet Great post..

 

[KniteOfIslam]

You're point is that these 12 are points for Muhammed and Jesus?
You didn't hit base on #5 and #7 (from the previous discussion) which were things God did with most of His prophets and judges and kings that asked for His help. You loose some there.
Now I ask a fourth time, did Muhammed chemically alter water?
Did He die on a hill like Moses and Jesus? That's more exclusive then Muhammed and Moses dies a natural death.
The similarities between Moses and Muhammed end in your 12 points.
Jesus has these plus a number of exluslive similarities between Him and Moses.

I haven't come to Jesus yet


My point was:
1) You said that plus Jesus and according to points #5 and #7 Joshua and David might be candidates to fulfill the prophecy (Duet 18 : 18) too...maybe others also

2) I asked....after the 12 points I gave

Now:

Does anyone can compare the following similaririties that Moses, Jesus and Mohammad have??..and I mean all of them or more....not just one or two...know what I mean!...if less he is less like Moses....:

1) Moses was a Miracle worker ... Jesus was a miracle worker And So was Mohammad a miracle worker
2) Moses Asked that the great Sin of His People be Forgiven (Exodus 32:31-32). Jesus asked that the great sin of His people be forgiven (Luke 23:34) And Mohammad asked that the great sin of His people to be forgiven ("Sahih Al-Bukhari" Page 3797)
3) Moses Physically controlled water, Jesus Physically controlled water , And so Mohammad Physically controlled water ..(evolved water by his hands "by allah's permission")
("Sahih Al-Bukhari" one of the most rightious books in Islam - Vol 5, Book 59. Military Expeditions Led By The Prophet (pbuh) (Al-Maghaazi). Hadith 473. )
4) An angel watched over Moses' body (Jude 1:9 ). Jesus had at least two angels watching over His body (John 20) And so did Mohammad ("Sahih Muslim" - 2797)
5) Moses did not have special clothing symbolic of his rank. Jesus also did not have special clothing showing His rank And so Mohammad had not special clothing symbolic of his rank
6) Moses was involved in the activities of the holy Tabernacle on earth (Exodus 25-40 ). Jesus is involved in the perfect Tabernacle in Heaven (Hebrews) And Mohammad was involved in the activities of the House Of Allah In Medina (on earth too ).."Messenger's Mosque"
7) Moses provided ransom by pouring out blood as a sacrifice (Ex. 12 ). Jesus similarly ( Matt. 20 :28 & Hebrews 9 :11-15 ) And soo did Mohammad both in "Hajj" (Pilgrimage) and in "Eid Al-Adha" (Al-Adha Feast) poured blood as a sacrifice
8) Moses fed multitudes of people by miracles (Ex. 16 ). Jesus fed multitudes (Matt. 14 and 15 ) - And so did Mohammad, he fed multitudes of people with few loafs of bread and some butter
("Sahih Al-Bukhari" - Vol 8, Book 78. Oaths And Vows. Hadith 679.)
9) Moses and Jesus predicted Israel's history (Deut.28:15-28; Mt.23:34,24:1,2,8,34) And so did Mohammad predicted his people's history.. ("Sahih El-Boukhari Vol 9, Book 85. Saying Something Under Compulsion (Ikraah). Hadith 076.)
10) Moses and Jesus had a face to face relationship with God unlike any other person. Moses (Ex.33:9-11, Deut.34:10; Numb.12:7)- Jesus was with God=face to face from eternity (1:1) And so did Mohammad had direct face to face with Allah in Heaven durin "A- Me'raj" (The Ascending)
11) God spoke audibly and directly from heaven to both Moses and Jesus. Moses (Ex.20:22, 24:12-16) Jesus (Mt.3:17; Jn.12:2) And so did Allah spoke to Mohammad audibly and directly in Heaven durin "Al- Me'raj" (The Ascending)
12) Moses and Jesus were sent by God to reveal His name, person and law to the people. To Moses God said to tell them I Am sent you. (Ex.3:13-14) Jesus said God sent him as his exact representative revealing his name (I Am) and nature to the people. (Jn.8:42; 17:6,11-12; Col.2:9; Heb.1:3) And so Mohammad was sent by Allah to people to deliver the revelation to tell them I am sent to you

I guess this eliminates Joshua and David and whoever else we can think of from Moses till now

I think u agree on that...

Do u still think Joshua or David or Anybody else...OTHER THAN JESUS...is more like Moses than Mohammad???

Please if u think so...give 12 points or more for this person? (Again....OTHER THAN JESUS)


Ur Turn My Friend


Sorry 4 the delay..I have troubles with my connection these days


May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

 

[JCBeliever]

Peace brother KniteofIslam,

Do u still think Joshua or David or Anybody else...OTHER THAN JESUS...is more like Moses than Mohammad???

Please if u think so...give 12 points or more for this person? (Again....OTHER THAN JESUS)

Okay, lets' look through these.

1) Moses was a Miracle worker ... Jesus was a miracle worker And So was Mohammad a miracle worker

Many prophets were. Joshua, Elijah, and Elisha to name a few.

2) Moses Asked that the great Sin of His People be Forgiven (Exodus 32:31-32). Jesus asked that the great sin of His people be forgiven (Luke 23:34) And Mohammad asked that the great sin of His people to be forgiven ("Sahih Al-Bukhari" Page 3797)

The prophets were always asking God to forgive the children of Israel who constantly reverted to paganism in the old says.

5) Moses did not have special clothing symbolic of his rank. Jesus also did not have special clothing showing His rank And so Mohammad had not special clothing symbolic of his rank

Same with the other prophets.

6) Moses was involved in the activities of the holy Tabernacle on earth (Exodus 25-40 ). Jesus is involved in the perfect Tabernacle in Heaven (Hebrews) And Mohammad was involved in the activities of the House Of Allah In Medina (on earth too ).."Messenger's Mosque"

One could always find prophets in the tabernacle.

8) Moses fed multitudes of people by miracles (Ex. 16 ). Jesus fed multitudes (Matt. 14 and 15 ) - And so did Mohammad, he fed multitudes of people with few loafs of bread and some butter
("Sahih Al-Bukhari" - Vol 8, Book 78. Oaths And Vows. Hadith 679.)

Elijah worked this same kind of miracle.

9) Moses and Jesus predicted Israel's history (Deut.28:15-28; Mt.23:34,24:1,2,8,34) And so did Mohammad predicted his people's history.. ("Sahih El-Boukhari Vol 9, Book 85. Saying Something Under Compulsion (Ikraah). Hadith 076.)

"prophecy" comes from the word "prophet"
All of the prophets predicted things for Israel.

11) God spoke audibly and directly from heaven to both Moses and Jesus. Moses (Ex.20:22, 24:12-16) Jesus (Mt.3:17; Jn.12:2) And so did Allah spoke to Mohammad audibly and directly in Heaven durin "Al- Me'raj" (The Ascending)

God spoke directly to ALL of His prophets.

In conclusion, some of these things are in common with other prophets in general. Some not. Some shared with only a few prophets.

Now that I addressed your inquiry, I kindly ask you to do the same with mine:

Jesus as a man was a Jew, okay. Jesus and Moses are brothers. Jesus was a brother to the Israelites of the 12th century BC. Children of Israel are brothers to each other.
Muhammed was a second cousin to Moses and the Israelites.

Since Jesus was the Word incarnate, God put every word into the mouth of Jesus. Jesus alone is a body, it's God the Son in Him that was His soul that gave Him life and put the words in His mouth.
Not every single word Muhammed spoke (if any) was from God.

Is this clear?

Is that clear, bro?

 

[Christ Aficionado]

Now:
Does anyone can compare the following similaririties that Moses, Jesus and Mohammad have??..and I mean all of them or more....not just one or two...know what I mean!...if less he is less like Moses....:

1) Moses was a Miracle worker ... Jesus was a miracle worker And So was Mohammad a miracle worker

Hello KniteofIslam ,

Would you be able to list the miracles that Mohammad performed?

 

[KniteOfIslam]

Dear friend

Hope u r well

You have to give 12 points or more FOR THE SAME PERSON to beat Mohammad-Moses (Pbut) similarities..(Please give name and 12 points and proofs for one person)....Still Other Than Jesus (Pbuh)

Any less than that...then Mohammad (Pbuh) is more like Moses (Pbuh)

u gave many persons but none of them has 12 or more similarities with Moses...they r still far behind Mohammad(Pbuh)

Actually all of them together - as u provided - can give only 7 similarities only


Ur Turn

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

 

[KniteOfIslam]

My Friend Christ Aficionado.

Hello KniteofIslam

Would you be able to list the miracles that Mohammad performed?

1) He split the moon in two halves by God's permission (Sahih Muslim / page 2800)(Noble Quran 54:1 "This sura (54) is called "The Moon" after this incident)

2) He used little amount of water and made it flow like a spring from between his fingers by God's Permission until all his companions drank and Abluted (Sahih Al-Bukhary / page 5639)

3) He touched with his hands the breast of a thin, weak (not-milking) goat and so it milked a lot of milk by God's Permission for him and his companions to drink and had been so after that

4) He fed a lot of people with small bread and some butter by God's Permission (Sahih Al-Bukhary /page 6688)

I hope I cleared matters for you..

Take care my friend

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

 

[peaceful soul]

My Friend Christ Aficionado.



1) He split the moon in two halves by God's permission (Sahih Muslim / page 2800)(Noble Quran 54:1 "This sura (54) is called "The Moon" after this incident)

2) He used little amount of water an dmade it flow like a spring from between his fingers until all his companions drank and Abluted (Sahih Al-Bukhary / page 5639)

3) He touched with his hands the breast of a thin (not-milking) goat and it milked a lot of milk for him and his companions to drink and had been so after that

4) He fed a lot of people with small bread and some butter (Sahih Al-Bukhary /page 6688)

I hope I cleared matters for you..

Take care my friend

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

Mohammad is reported to have never done miracles. That was one of defining points against his prophethood.

 

[KniteOfIslam]

Mohammad is reported to have never done miracles. That was one of defining points against his prophethood

Don't Believe everything u hear
Please correct ur information
I recommend u read some more
[url]http://hadith.al-islam.com/Bayan/hits.asp?Lang=eng&ID=1142[/url]

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

 

[peaceful soul]

Don't Believe everything u hear
Please correct ur information
I recommend u read some more
[url]http://hadith.al-islam.com/Bayan/hits.asp?Lang=eng&ID=1142[/url]

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

I have heard this from Muslims too.

 

[Letalis]

You know, no where in Deuteronomy 18:18 does it say that Moses and Jesus have to be EXACTLY alike. No where does it state that someone else who is the most like Moses is obviously the truth prophet. What is says is they will be alike and that he will be among their brothren. Jesus is a prophet, Jesus is like Moses, and Jesus was from among their brothren. It's pretty clear to me.

 

[JCBeliever]

Peace KniteofIslam,

Dear friend

Hope u r well

You have to give 12 points or more FOR THE SAME PERSON to beat Mohammad-Moses (Pbut) similarities..(Please give name and 12 points and proofs for one person)....Still Other Than Jesus (Pbuh)

Any less than that...then Mohammad (Pbuh) is more like Moses (Pbuh)

u gave many persons but none of them has 12 or more similarities with Moses...they r still far behind Mohammad(Pbuh)

Actually all of them together - as u provided - can give only 7 similarities only


Ur Turn

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish.
If those are in common with Muhammed, Moses, and Jesus, how does this contribute to anything? Some of those similarities are shared with all of the prophets BTW.

I really don't want to keep repeating myself, so I ask you yet again to give answers to this:

Now that I addressed your inquiry, I kindly ask you to do the same with mine:

Jesus as a man was a Jew, okay. Jesus and Moses are brothers. Jesus was a brother to the Israelites of the 12th century BC. Children of Israel are brothers to each other.
Muhammed was a second cousin to Moses and the Israelites.

Since Jesus was the Word incarnate, God put every word into the mouth of Jesus. Jesus alone is a body, it's God the Son in Him that was His soul that gave Him life and put the words in His mouth.
Not every single word Muhammed spoke (if any) was from God.

Is this clear?

How am I wrong here? How can you say Muhammed is a brother opf Moses and the Israelites if he's NOT? He's a second cousin, but Jesus is a brother to Moses and the ISraelites of the 12 century BC.
Also, every word Jesus spoke in His life was the direct word of God, but surely not every word Muhammed spoke was from God.
If you fail to respond to this, I will have to assume immediate victory.

May God watch you and guide you always

 

[Christ Aficionado]

My Friend Christ Aficionado.



1) He split the moon in two halves by God's permission (Sahih Muslim / page 2800)(Noble Quran 54:1 "This sura (54) is called "The Moon" after this incident)

2) He used little amount of water and made it flow like a spring from between his fingers by God's Permission until all his companions drank and Abluted (Sahih Al-Bukhary / page 5639)

3) He touched with his hands the breast of a thin, weak (not-milking) goat and so it milked a lot of milk by God's Permission for him and his companions to drink and had been so after that

4) He fed a lot of people with small bread and some butter by God's Permission (Sahih Al-Bukhary /page 6688)

I hope I cleared matters for you..

Take care my friend

May Allah Be Our Way And Goal

Thank you for your response KniteofIslam.

There appears to be a contradiction to the miracles you listed and what another section in the Quaran states. We read in the Quaran in surat Al Ankabout, surat number 29, verse 50 the following:

"And they say, why are not signs, miracles, send down to him, to Mohammed, from his lord?" Says, "Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner."

It appears that Mohammed is saying in very plain words that he is not a miracle worker. Do you agree? Could it be possible that the miracles you listed are simply literary figures of speech?

Peace.

 

[peaceful soul]

Thank you for your response KniteofIslam.

There appears to be a contradiction to the miracles you listed and what another section in the Quaran states. We read in the Quaran in surat Al Ankabout, surat number 29, verse 50 the following:

"And they say, why are not signs, miracles, send down to him, to Mohammed, from his lord?" Says, "Oh, Mohammed, the signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner."

It appears that Mohammed is saying in very plain words that he is not a miracle worker. Do you agree? Could it be possible that the miracles you listed are simply literary figures of speech?

Peace.

As I understand, Mohammad continually said that he was only a messenger.

 

[traveller]

re-read the posts...

all miracles are by Gods permission. no human being does it himself, its only through Gods leave and permission....same applies to moses, jesus etc

so yes he was only a messenger, the miracles were due to God, not him. Muhammad did not come to perform massive miracles, he was just a plain warner like all others Prophets

Thus, Islam is not about the prophet, its about Allah and His oneness...