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Who is saved?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Philomath, Apr 7, 2002.

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  1. Philomath

    Philomath New Member

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    Could Gentiles be saved. Can people that never get the chance to here of Jesus be saved? What about people that have heard of him but rejected him, Is it possible for them to be saved? If so then how and if not why not? What does the Bible say?
     
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  2. Didymus

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    gentiles-yes of course are you Jewish ?
    those who never hear of Jeaus atill have God revealed to them through nature and other ways so they are held accountable for what they do with the knowledge they have.
    if you reject Jesus no but you could alwasys change yoour mind and accept Him and then you would be saved.
    there is no othe name under heaven given among men by which we may be saved--can t remember refrence.
     
  3. Philomath

    Philomath New Member

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    I was trying to refer to non-isrealites before Jesus by "could gentiles be saved." So, people who never got the chance to hear of Jesus are judged by what they know. That makes sence. Thankyou
     
  4. Didymus

    Didymus can t spell--can t type

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    examples of who you would be looking for would be Ruth, Rahab, Nammon-the leper. Remember God is fair and He wants every one to be saved. not that all will be
     
  5. Dave Ulchers

    Dave Ulchers Active Member

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    Two scriptures for your consideration, Philomath.

    John 3:36
    And from Romans chapter 2, St. Paul writes:
     
  6. Philomath

    Philomath New Member

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    Thankyou for answering my question. I think I understand it now. :)

    Now I have another question. Were sacrifices in bible times required for the forgivenes of sins. Or were they just for symbolism.

    This is the one I esteem:
    he who is humble and contrite in spirit,
    and trembles at my word.
    But whoever sacrifices a bull
    is like one who kills a man,
    and whoever offers a lamb,
    like one who breaks a dog's neck;
    whoever makes a grain offering
    is like one who presents a pig's blood,
    and whoever burns memorial insense,
    like one who worships an idol.
    They have chosen their ways,
    and their souls delight in their abominations;
    - Isaiah 66: 2,3

    Does this mean that sacrifices were just symbolism? Is being humble, contrite and honoring God's word what really mattered?
     
  7. JOhnPreparer

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    Matthew 28:18-20
    All authority on earth and in heaven has been given to me, therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obey whatever that I have commanded you. And surely I will be with you till the very end of the age.

    If you wanted to know who will be saved. THe people who obey the above last words of Jesus will be saved. Disciple -gentile, jewish will be accepted -Jesus commanded for all nation not one, not two but all. Therefore, all the people around the world can be saved. Only but abiding and obeying the word of God.

    People who heard and disbelief, well to tell frankly... it is their choice to choose... our task is to lead them and make assure they knkow the true. You know why GOd haven't come back till today.... Read 2 Peter 3:9


    GOd bless and keep spreading the good news
    :cool:
     
  8. Philomath

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    Where sacrifices just symbols for a humble and contrite spirit? If they were then Jesus's death and resurection, as the final sacrifice, was also symbolism. Do we only need to be humble, contrite, and respect and honor God's word? This is what I really want to know.
     
  9. Dave Ulchers

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    Any act done in obedience to God confers some actual grace. This differs from sanctifying (saving) grace. The Old Testament sacrifices confered the first but not the latter.
     
  10. ZoneChaos

    ZoneChaos Senior Veteran

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    The shedding of blood is required for the remission of sins. The Bible says as much.

    In the OT, the covanent ma had with God invloved animal sacrifice on a regular basis to this end.

    In the NT, a new Covanent was made with man, and under this covanent, Jesus' sacrifice on the cross was enough to cover everyone's sin, thus invalidating the practice of animal sacrifice.
     
  11. jades976

    jades976 New Member

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    i am saved!! Praise GOD!!
     
  12. JOhnPreparer

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    Dear Philomath,
    Great to hear that you have the desire to get closer to God and really anxiety about "being saved". Read the Word of God daily. Pray and ask God for wisdom in understanding his will in our life. Serve the Lord in a local church. Live up a life that shine the character of Christ.

    God will change and mould you. No need to worry. The Creator never lie.
    THe most importance task is that you are willing to learn. Learn from the Word of God.
    Find someone who are more mature to lead and guide you. Find someone who recognized as a person who is holy and just before the Lord by people not our own interpretation.

    God bless and do pray more ...
    for the Holy Spirit to guide you.
    Pray to the Holy Spirit....

    Love you in Christ Jesus
    jp :hug:
     
  13. forjesus

    forjesus Humble Servant

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    IN ACTS 16;31, the jailer asks Paul and Silas how to be saved. They responded, '' Believein The Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.'' the jailer believed and immediately became saved. John 3;15 tells us that ''everyone who believes in him may have eternal life'' JOHN 5;24 says, ''I TELL YOU THE TRUTH, WHOEVER HEARS MY WORD AND BELIEVES HIM WHO SENT ME HAS ETERNAL LIFE AND WILL NOT BE CONDEMNED; HE HAS CROSSED OVER FROM DEATH TO LIFE. You can also reference JOHN 11;25, 12;46, 20;31,. If salvation were not by Faith alone, then Jesus' message in the Gospel of John would be deceptive, stating that there is one condition for salvation when there are allegedly two, Faith, and Works. We are saved by Faith, Works are not the condition of our salvation, but a consequence of it. We are saved not by works, but by the kind of Faith that produces Works. God Bless
     
  14. amie

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    Amen to that!
    Amie :angel:
     
  15. WWJD777

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    Mark 4:1-20 and John 3:16. Mark answers most of your question, and as far as those who don't hear or can't understan, there is a story about david. One of his children is sick and dies. I believe he go's into a room for a little bit, and leaves and continues as though nothing has happened. His servants then ask, (paraphrased,)
    "why aren't you sad?" He says, "my baby is in heaven" . Now I might not remember the specifics, but I do remember the " my baby is in heaven" part.
     
  16. Wolseley

    Wolseley Beaucoup-Diên-Cai-Dāu

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    2 Samuel 12:15-23. The child born of the adultery between David and Bathsheba is struck with illness and dies; David fasts and prays for the child's life, but when the child dies, David bathes, dresses, and eats. His servants question him, and David replies, "Now that he is dead, why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me."

    Not to say your memory is faulty, but I don't see "my baby is in heaven" anywhere in that passage. You can interpret "I shall go to him" as meaning that David will join his child in the afterlife when David dies, but you can also interpret it as meaning David is merely going to go in and view the body before the funeral.
     
  17. JohnR7

    JohnR7 Well-Known Member

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    >>Can people that never get the chance to here of Jesus be saved?

    Do you know of anyone anywhere who has not heard of Jesus? If so, let's go have a talk with them. Jim Eliot heard about some native people who had never heard the good news and he would not let anything get in his way of going to them to tell them about Jesus.

    Afganstan is starting to open up, it maybe a little difficult to get into Iran and North Korea, but not impossible. Otherwise the rest of the world is wide open to receiving the true gospel. Thanks, JohnR7
     
  18. Julie

    Julie ONLY JESUS CHRIST SAVES

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    Dave you quote John 3:36 as:

     Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever disobeys the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him.

    You should always list what version you are quoting from, since they are copyrighted.  Anyway, does that verse have the same meaning as this verse?

    John 3
    36   He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


    Doesn't seem so to me. Anyone else see the difference?
     
  19. eldermike

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    John 3:36: The word used in the orginal texts = reject.

    If God required obediance for salvation then perhaps Jesus alone is saved.

    Jesus said in John 17, while praying, that He desired that we would be with Him. If Obediance is the way, we will not make it. Unless one of us wants to start boasting and tell us all the ways you are living in obediance. But remember one law = the whole law.

    Some have prayed for years, so as not to allow one impure thought. Is this obediance? Did it work?

    I am saved.....but by the blood of Jesus alone.
     
  20. Wonder

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    Jesus brought salvation to all men...its free!
     
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