Who is in control of this world?

Thedictator · May 20, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
there's a huge difference my friend,
why, are you one of the mega rich?

I'm not for the mega rich. I'm for not showing favoritism to anyone regardless of how much or how little God has blessed someone. It is called fairness. I'm not against our government taking 50% if they do it to everyone. God in his own old law required everyone to give 10% of what they had not just the wealthy but everyone. Attacking someone just because they are rich ( or overly blessed by God ) is bigotry. If you are unwilling to do what you want to force others to do is hypocrisy. It is a sin.
If a rich person is guilty of greed then God will deal with him. The same goes for a greedy poor person. Some times the only way God can bless someone is by wealth and that blessing last only a shot time, then comes Judgment.

Godlovesmetwo · May 20, 2017

Thedictator said:
I'm not for the mega rich. I'm for not showing favoritism to anyone regardless of how much or how little God has blessed someone. It is called fairness. I'm not against our government taking 50% if they do it to everyone. God in his own old law required everyone to give 10% of what they had not just the wealthy but everyone. Attacking someone just because they are rich ( or overly blessed by God ) is bigotry. If you are unwilling to do what you want to force others to do is hypocrisy. It is a sin.
If a rich person is guilty of greed then God will deal with him. The same goes for a greedy poor person. Some times the only way God can bless someone is by wealth and that blessing last only a shot time, then comes Judgment.

Math is not my forte either. But here goes, I'll try.
Mega Rich X earns 10 million dollars a year
Poor Y earns 20 000 dollars a year

50% of 10 million dollars is 5 million dollars
50% of 20 000 dollars is 10 000 dollars

Ever tried living on 10 000 dollars a year? I have. its tough.
Ever heard of progressive tax? that's why we have it in Australia anyway.Not in America?
Anyway, the mega rich pay accountants to avoid tax altogether. Remember Trump boasting about it?

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

Hello TheDictator,

You need to support your claims with data. So so I, of course.

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

Thedictator said:
I disagree

We'll see how this plays out. Data matters, gut feeling s don't. Tomorrow, I will post gobs of data supporting my claim that the world is getting less violent. We'll see if you can match that.

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

Nathan98 said:
(Btw to answer your question, no I do not have actual data; I read and watch the news)

I concede that I have not yet supported a number of my claims. But TV news is the last place to get accurate information.

Thedictator · May 20, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
Math is not my forte either. But here goes, I'll try.
Mega Rich X earns 10 million dollars a year
Poor Y earns 20 000 dollars a year

50% of 10 million dollars is 5 million dollars
50% of 20 000 dollars is 10 000 dollars

Ever tried living on 10 000 dollars a year? I have. its tough.
Ever heard of progressive tax? that's why we have it in Australia anyway.Not in America?
Anyway, the mega rich pay accountants to avoid tax altogether. Remember Trump boasting about it?

America has a progressive Tax system also.

Like most progressive ideas they are sinful. The reason that the mega rich get out of paying there share of Taxes is because the progressive tax system is corrupt, if we had a flat Tax everyone would be paying and no one would be a free loader. Senator Ted Kennedy who was a big proponent of the Progressive tax and "let's get the rich" for years had a section of the Tax code just for him and his family that gave them huge tax breaks so he and his family paid very little. He was the biggest hypocrite in America.

Thedictator · May 20, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
Math is not my forte either. But here goes, I'll try.
Mega Rich X earns 10 million dollars a year
Poor Y earns 20 000 dollars a year

50% of 10 million dollars is 5 million dollars
50% of 20 000 dollars is 10 000 dollars

Ever tried living on 10 000 dollars a year? I have. its tough.
Ever heard of progressive tax? that's why we have it in Australia anyway.Not in America?
Anyway, the mega rich pay accountants to avoid tax altogether. Remember Trump boasting about it?

America has a progressive Tax system also.

Like most progressive ideas they are sinful. The reason that the mega rich get out of paying there share of Taxes is because the progressive tax system is corrupt, if we had a flat Tax everyone would be paying and no one would be a free loader. Senator Ted Kennedy who was a big proponent of the Progressive tax and "let's get the rich" for years had a section of the Tax code just for him and his family that gave them huge tax breaks so he and his family paid very little. He was the biggest hypocrite in America.

expos4ever said:
Hello TheDictator,

You need to support your claims with data. So so I, of course.

Thedictator · May 20, 2017

expos4ever said:
Hello TheDictator,

You need to support your claims with data. So so I, of course.

What claim am I making that need data?

Nick714 · May 20, 2017

Not_By_Chance said:
I sometimes wonder whether God or Satan is currently in control of this world.

Let me give just one example: A famine in Africa. We’ve all seen the pictures on TV of people starving to death; even children. Now we could say that this is all man’s fault because if everyone worked together on the continent of Africa, it could be one of the wealthiest continents on the planet. Think about it – Africa has precious minerals like gold, diamonds, a desert area where sunshine could be turned into electricity, wetter areas to grow crops, wonderful beaches and game reserves for tourists, oil for fuel and so on. But instead of working together for the common good, we see corruption, fighting, barbarity in the name of a god called “Allah”, etc. So we could put the blame 100% on man’s actions. But what about if a significant cause could be attributed to lack of rainfall. It begs the question, why doesn’t God at least send rain to help people grow their crops and feed themselves? Or is Satan being allowed to wreak even more misery that he has already done since the fall of creation? Or (third option), is the planet running on autopilot and as such, these things are bound to happen? Has anyone any ideas on this that they could share?

always keep in mind the culture too because they practice alot of witchcraft in Africa which is backed by demons. so its posible that its a curse from God but on the flip side they are wide and open for Satans dominion because they are on his side of the fence (like alot of the world). so its really hard to say who does what and at what time because of how unrighteous the world is. this question leaves us trying to tell the difference between righteous wrath and unjust punishment.

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

W2L said:
Satan waters down the evil in this world, he would have us think its getting better, but its only getting watered down so its more acceptable.

Very questionable. Is Satan able to cause us to incorrectly tally death counts from violence? Because those counts show violence is rather clearly decreasing.

Besides, your reasoning could be used to claim that Satan caused us to miscount electoral college votes in favour of Mr. Trump.

W2L · May 20, 2017

expos4ever said:
Very questionable. Is Satan able to cause us to incorrectly tally death counts from violence? Because those counts show violence is rather clearly decreasing.

Besides, your reasoning could be used to claim that Satan caused us to miscount electoral college votes in favour of Mr. Trump.

So what if violence is going down. Is violence the only sin people commit?

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

Thedictator said:
What claim am I making that need data?

For starters, your claim in post 48 that the world is not getting less violent.

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

W2L said:
So what if violence is going down. Is violence the only sin people commit?

I agree that violence is not the only issue. But I am prepared (later) to present data suggesting the world is generally getting better, not necessarily less sinful.

W2L · May 20, 2017

expos4ever said:
I agree that violence is not the only issue. But I am prepared (later) to present data suggesting the world is generally getting better, not necessarily less sinful.

The only way it could get better is to be less sinful.

Nathan98 · May 20, 2017

expos4ever said:
I agree that violence is not the only issue. But I am prepared (later) to present data suggesting the world is generally getting better, not necessarily less sinful.

Then why did you just boldly say in your first comment that the world is getting better, and when you have no proof to back it up, you just say that you will prove it later? Like who does that?

W2L · May 20, 2017

Violence could erupt in a world war for all we know. How can we say its getting better? We dont know what tomorrow will bring.

Thedictator · May 20, 2017

expos4ever said:
We'll see how this plays out. Data matters, gut feeling s don't. Tomorrow, I will post gobs of data supporting my claim that the world is getting less violent. We'll see if you can match that.

Here is one by the FBI crime data center: 1960 Violent crime was 160.9 per 100,000 people in 2015 it was 380.2 per 100,000 people. That is a big jump in the wrong direction.

Thedictator · May 20, 2017

Here is some more Data: Forcible Rape 1960 - 9.6 per 100,000
2015 - 28.1 Per 100,000

Nathan98 · May 20, 2017

Thedictator said:
Here is some more Data: Forcible Rape 1960 - 9.6 per 100,000
2015 - 28.1 Per 100,000

You know, it's optional to put all your research in one comment.

expos4ever · May 20, 2017

W2L said:
The only way it could get better is to be less sinful.

I agree, but I believe it is still the case that, in most of the important senses, the world is indeed getting better over time.

Who is in control of this world?

Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

Fringe Catholic

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

Retired Coach, Now Missionary to the World

Active Member

Well-Known Member

Similar threads

Privacy & Transparency

Privacy & Transparency