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According to your beliefs, who ends up in hell?

  • Those who do not become Christian during their mortal life

  • Those who do not submit to Christ/ accept Christ's love in the afterlife

  • Nobody. I don't believe in Hell.

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Timothew

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The term "spiritual death" is not even in the bible so how could "spiritual death caused by sin" be "clearly taught in the bible"?

I pay attention to everything you post. That's why I disagree with you so much. Clearly the bible does not teach of a thing called "spiritual death" since "spiritual death" is not even in the bible, not even one time.

The verses you posted say nothing whatsoever about "spiritual death." The concept of spiritual death seems to be nothing more than an attempt to deny that people actually will die and be dead forever as a result of sin.
 
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^This
 
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Those who haven't been 'born again' are still dead in their sins.

John 3:3 (NASB)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
 
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Those who haven't been 'born again' are still dead in their sins.

John 3:3 (NASB)
3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
Even the words You use prove my point. "still dead in their sins", They are not "eternally tortured in hell in their sins".

Dead in their sins refers to the ultimate outcome of their sins, which is death, not eternal torture in hell.
 
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Even the words You use prove my point. "still dead in their sins", They are not "eternally tortured in hell in their sins".

Dead in their sins refers to the ultimate outcome of their sins, which is death, not eternal torture in hell.
Have you been born again? Some of us have.

1 Peter 1:23 (NASB)
23 for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God.

Those who haven't been born again are dead in their sins.

Ephesians 2:4-5 (NASB)
4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
 
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but they are not dead
Then why does the NT say they are dead when they are alive? Because they are dead spiritually.

1 Timothy 5:6 (NASB)
6 But she who gives herself to wanton pleasure is dead even while she lives.

1 Timothy 4:10 ...we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, ...
Only potentially. Those who don't repent will spend eternity in the Lake of Fire. God's promises of salvation are conditional upon believing and repentance.

John 3:36 (NASB)
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
You are giving false hope to the lost. The Lake of Fire is eternal.

read a LITERAL translation , the torment only goes on to the 'ages' of the 'ages' , that is until the repentance of Satan at the end of time ...

Which in no way denies that it is forever. Satan is going to repent??? Oh my.

Forever means FOREVER. And I wouldn't want to be held accountable for those who spend eternity in the fire because I told them everyone will be saved. Forever means FOREVER.

Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB)
9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Eternity is a very long time to be wrong about this. If what you are saying is true then why did God warn us over and over and over ???

Ezekiel 3:18-21 (NASB)
18 "When I say to the wicked, 'You will surely die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. 19 "Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself. 20 "Again, when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I place an obstacle before him, he will die; since you have not warned him, he shall die in his sin, and his righteous deeds which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood I will require at your hand. 21 "However, if you have warned the righteous man that the righteous should not sin and he does not sin, he shall surely live because he took warning; and you have delivered yourself."
 
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Thanks for asking! Yes I have been born again. Therefore I will not go to the second death, I will be resurrected to eternal life to live forever with Jesus Christ. I will not perish because I have been made unperishable, but I'm afraid that those who have not been made unperishable remain perishable, and will perish in the second death.
 
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Which means you were dead, spiritually. All humans are spiritually dead unless/until they are 'born again'. That's what 'spiritual death' means. Alive but dead.

No. I was not dead. I remember it well. I was alive, I was 20 years old and living in Idaho. I was alive but not dead. Dead is the opposite of Alive. You can't literally be both.
 
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No. I was not dead. I remember it well. I was alive, I was 20 years old and living in Idaho. I was alive but not dead. Dead is the opposite of Alive. You can't literally be both.
I've already quoted several Scriptures that say otherwise. Did you miss them? Why did you need to be 'born again' if you weren't spiritually dead? Were you born again physically?
 
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The greek "anothen" refers to being born "from above" being born all over again. Jesus was telling Nicodemus that he couldn't trust in being a jew for salvation. He must be born of the spirit, not born of the flesh. Hence, born again. It is a figure of speech, not a literal rebirth. Those that receive Jesus Christ are given the right to become children of God. We are put into God's family. We will be resurrected to eternal life.
 
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And another NT alive but dead.

Revelation 3:1 (NASB)
1 "To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars, says this: 'I know your deeds, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.
 
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I would say it very much a literal rebirth, because everything is different after being born again..........unless your like a dog and simply return to your vomit, and go back to the ways you once walked in before Christ made Himself known to you
 
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I would say it very much a literal rebirth, because everything is different after being born again..........unless your like a dog and simply return to your vomit, and go back to the ways you once walked in before Christ made Himself known to you
You mean, very much a symbolic rebirth because everything is different after being born again. A literal rebirth would be literally entering your mother's womb and being born again. It would be messy.
 
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You mean, very much a symbolic rebirth because everything is different after being born again. A literal rebirth would be literally entering your mother's womb and being born again. It would be messy.




dude, thats a pretty gross thought.
 
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