dollarsbill
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We can't say we weren't warned.
Don't you mean your own personal Bible that disagrees with nearly every English translation we have available?
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We can't say we weren't warned.If you are right, then I'll burn in hell forever.
Don't you mean your own personal Bible that disagrees with nearly every English translation we have available?Lucky for me that you are not right, and the Bible is right.
If I'm wrong then I won't burn in Hell forever, will I? Can you say the same?
I asked a simple question. In no way did I condemn you. The Truth can indeed be painful.oh this is going to go that route, now? where we start condemning one another, i will take no part in that, i leave that to God, you are not God, so be careful where you are treading.....
And I didn't say any such thing.further, there is no where in the bible that says, for those who dont believe that hell is the traditional orthodox view, that they are going to hell.....
There was no 'attack' so stop trying to manufacture one. Have you never read, "the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom"?so give me a break, or does the orthodox church provide a verse for that nonsense too....if so please provide the verse.? what one believes hell is or isnt has no bearing, imo, on whether or not one is right with God, so stop the baseless attacks.
My lack of maturity?it only shows your lack of maturity when it comes to understanding scripture, we are already aware of this on your part, you dont need to convince us any more.
If I'm wrong then I won't burn in Hell forever, will I? Can you say the same?
If I'm wrong I can't lose then!!! How about you? The fact is that God does indeed burn humans alive.I don't need to, as it is not a "right vs wrong" scenario... but you shall bear the SHAME you have DUE, for turning a deaf ear to the WORD -- Rev 3:18
And, I have diligently and thoroughly studied the subject for over 36 years, and KNOW for many more reasons than I have given to you to this moment, and BY SCRIPTURE easily prove that I have gained REVELATION as to this subject which is PAGAN in origin ...(not of my doing or will, but of YHVH)...
On the "right vs wrong" issue, ...I prefer to say that you are presently VEILED, not "wrong", and that My observation is "REVEALED" not "right"...
The only way either of us can call the other "wrong" is to make comparison to the other using our own observations. I have used Scripture to show the light concerning this VENGENT (which JESUS noted is NO LONGER -- Matt 5:13-48) and certainly UNREASONABLE myth.
My observation, does not COMPROMISE Scripture... but yours certainly does as I have already shown.
Would you answer a question?
If there IS a "HELL", then how can you call the MISSION of CHRIST a SUCCESS? For that mission is CLEARLY noted, to SAVE the WORLD (KOSMOS/Creation) -- John 3:16-17 -- 1 John 4:14 -- Luke 19:10 --- (not just "christians")
If the WORLD (and everything in it) is NOT SAVED, then the MISSION was an abject FAILURE -- Luke 19:10 -- as (according to YOU) MOST remain LOST...
As well as SCRIPTURE is compromised, for SIN was NOT TAKEN AWAY from the "WORLD" -- John 1:29 -- 2 Cor 5:19
Did you LEARN DB? Or in ruffled feather pride, turn a deaf ear to MUCH Scripture which was provided for you.
I noticed you provided, ah, ...NONE in response......Nor did you REFUTE anything I said... just a --- "Ne-ne-nene-ne" -- type response!
Hey it does not matter to me whether or not you hear and respond to TRUTH... as it shall be your undoing in the conclusion for you SHALL REAP what you SOW -- Gal 6:8
Though your works shall be TRIED in FIRE, and thereby suffer LOSS, ...even so the FIRE shall be your SAVIOR -- 1 Cor 3:15
I wish you the best... but ingrained TRADITIONALIST religion is a tough nut to crack (no pun intended!)... and IS that which makes the WORD of TRUTH of NONE EFFECT -- Mark 7:7-13
As far as a LIST of translations that agree with the term "HELL" concerning GEHENNA... more than 20, ...DISAGREE with that terminology -- here is a list forya:
Hell is Leaving the Bible Forever</b></font>
If you would, ...please explain by exampling from Scripture, ...the PEACE -- [Rom 15:33], LOVE [1 Cor 13:8] and REASON [Isaiah 1:18], that are found in doctrine of "HELL"...
It will be interesting to hear you defend your beloved doctrine, (and FUN to REFUTE it with the WORD)...
PEACE...
...willieH
If I'm wrong I can't lose then!!! How about you? The fact is that God does indeed burn humans alive.
Read Luke 16Fact is there is not one single named person in the entire Bible shown to have or be having that fate.
Irrelevant. The warnings are throughout the NT of the 'eternal, everlasting and unquenchable' fire.In fact not even one single named person was threatened with such a fate.
Revelation 20:15The only conclusive fact of the Lake of Fire is that the devil and his messengers are going to be there.
Outside of that those who say for sure are only GUESSING.
Since I'm not Catholic I suggest you take that up with the Catholics.The RCC can't even determine a single named person to be in or heading to hell. Not even they are that stupid.
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Read Luke 16
Irrelevant. The warnings are throughout the NT of the 'eternal, everlasting and unquenchable' fire.
Since I'm not Catholic I suggest you take that up with the Catholics.
You can ignore it if you like but it will still be there.The statement stands. There is no named person, period. You can hunt til yer blue in the face and you won't find ONE NAMED HUMAN PERSON as an example of your so called FACT.
Then you must also admit that many others will be there with them.I acknowledge that there is an eternal place of torment called 'the lake of fire.' I acknowledge that the devil and his messengers will assuredly be in that lake forever and ever.
On Judgment Day God may have an entirely different view of who are "scholars".I also hold that God Grace MAY just be more GREAT than you can conceive of for MANKIND and must logically make room for that and even PRAY for that as the scriptures direct us to pray.
Determinist Protestant 'a little more educated' scholars have come to the identical conclusion.
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You can ignore it if you like but it will still be there.
IF you stopped condemning people to burn alive forever, THEN God in Christ would reveal the identity of the 'rich man' to you.Then you must also admit that many others will be there with them.
Another Universalist?Don't you pray for 'all men' as the scriptures demand?
God answers all your prayers?Some believers even believer our prayers WILL be answered in accord with THE WILL OF GOD in Christ.
Believing in Universalism doesn't make it so.Thankfully some do and believe it to be so.
You're blaming me for the way others live? It doesn't work like that. Many will burn forever according to the lives they choose to live.IF you stopped condemning people to burn alive forever, THEN God in Christ would reveal the identity of the 'rich man' to you.
Believers who can't love their neighbors as themselves won't be shown anything except how to save their own hides.
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Another Universalist?
God answers all your prayers?
Believing in Universalism doesn't make it so.
You're blaming me for the way others live?
It doesn't work like that. Many will burn forever according to the lives they choose to live.
And those who tell others that everyone will be saved will have blood on their hands on Judgment Day.
I asked a simple question. In no way did I condemn you. The Truth can indeed be painful.
I believe every vessel of dishonor will factually be in the Lake of Fire forever and EVER, eternally!
What is it you don't get?
We are commanded and we also (IF WE HAVE FAITH) should expect Godly aligned prayers in accord with THE WILL of God WILL be answered. Can't get any better prayer put up than that.
What is it? Can't understand plain statements or what?
OK Mr. Sinless.
Don't you even see that by thinking in your heart to kill someone IT'S MURDER? Don't you know this is a SIN to even think such a thought.
Now, here's you, thinking about not only death to other people, but BURNING THEM ALIVE FOREVER.
Can one think any LESS of their neighbors than that?
NOPE. It's the exact OPPOSITE of what we're supposed to do and practice.
Well, before I ascended to the ETERNAL JUDGMENT SEAT of God Almighty in sending people to burn alive forever, I might:
A.) Consider my own sins
B.) Look for at least ONE named example of such a position
C.) Remember that what I measure to someone else is going to happen to me
Paul might be standing there with blood on his hands then, teaching this:
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Or John the Apostle:
1 John 4:14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
And seriously, don't you KNOW who is 'born of God' and 'knows God?'
1 John 4:7
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God.
Don't you know these things? These 'scriptural FACTS?'
You are actually someone I feel quite sorry for for having to carry around all that 'eternal death and torture' inside your own heart unto other people and trying to call that FAITH which works THROUGH LOVE.
Poor guy.
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i concurr, and thats exactly what i thought, i really feel bad that you seem to careless about anyone....i pray for all people to be saved and it would not make me feel good if anyone, inc my worst enemy ended up in hell, how would that make anyone feel good, or feel unaffected?, there are far too many "hooray for me, to bad for you " amongst us.....its a very poor attitude to have.
sorry, i took it the wrong way......but the only truth thats painful to me is knowing that many actually and truly believe that God would do what you suggest, to anyone. and that the mainstream christian doctrine continues to maintain their view on this.....despite the overwhelming evidence and many intelligent scholars have questioned just how accurate it actually is....the eternal hell idea is fading, and i give it about another 100 years or so, (if we make it that long), and it will no longer be the mainstream view.imo
I do believe eternal hell remains credible unto the devil and his messengers.
Now, where did Jesus show us all where these entities ARE?
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Who/what are 'vessels of dishonor'?I believe every vessel of dishonor will factually be in the Lake of Fire forever and EVER, eternally!
Yes I can, when they are not vague and evasive.What is it? Can't understand plain statements or what?
Why would you think I'm sinless?OK Mr. Sinless.
Thinking a thought is not sin. Desiring to sin is sin.Don't you even see that by thinking in your heart to kill someone IT'S MURDER? Don't you know this is a SIN to even think such a thought.
Warning of eternal consequences is love. That's why Jesus did it, as did many of the writers of the Bible.Now, here's you, thinking about not only death to other people, but BURNING THEM ALIVE FOREVER.
Can one think any LESS of their neighbors than that?
NOPE. It's the exact OPPOSITE of what we're supposed to do and practice.
No, Paul warned also.Paul might be standing there with blood on his hands then, teaching this:
John 3:36 (NASB)Or John the Apostle:
Don't feel sorry for me. Feel sorry for those who try to remove the doctrine of eternal punishment in the fire from the NT.You are actually someone I feel quite sorry for for having to carry around all that 'eternal death and torture' inside your own heart unto other people and trying to call that FAITH which works THROUGH LOVE.
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