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If those figures are in the ball park, then anyone in their right mind would hope that classical Christianity is NOT the truth.If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth; then at least 74% of the earth's current population of 7.707 billion people are on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.
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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.
These are good points. Thanks.... He leaves the 99 to get the ONE! This is so very hard for me to talk about. Its one thing to just say the lost as if they have no value to God. Yet they are His creation. If you have kids.. picture.. taking one tossing it in the fire. Yet we do this talk about this as the Father Son holy Spirit all watch and listen. Its not our creation not our kids were talking about. ...
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It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.
• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.
The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.
Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:
Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.
Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.
As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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The tragedy is that most people don't want to be saved. It is that simple. Unless the true gospel is preached and real conviction of sin as a result of the Holy Spirit's work, people's hearts are untouched. Billy Graham reportedly said that he would be delighted if 4% of the "decisions" made resulted in people being born again. And he preached the true gospel. God has provided a salvation so complete that no one is beyond saving and nothing can render it ineffective. Too many ministries don't even preach the true gospel. But in the end, man has to choose..
It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.
• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.
The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.
Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:
Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.
Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.
As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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It would be unwise to assume that all non-Christians are on the road to Hell. Only God can judge the heart of a person and it could well be that the Catholic doctrine of "invincible ignorance" might well result in millions of non-Christians going to Heaven..
That's talking about a very large number of people currently in grave danger of the sum of all fears. Bear with me while I flesh this out.
According to my sources, as of mid 2020 there were approximately:
50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics
The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000
If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth; then at least 74% of the earth's current population of 7.707 billion people are on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our friends, our loved ones, and our associates.
NOTE: Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians in accordance with Webster's definition; but not in the classical sense.
Joseph Smith's movement is a variation; in other words: there's some classical Christianity in Mormonism, but classical Christianity comprises only a portion of Mormonism. The rest of it is extreme, to say the least.
Neither do Jehovah's Witnesses qualify as Christians in the classical sense. Charles Taze Russell's movement is a variation too. There's some classical Christianity in the Watchtower Society's doctrines, but classical Christianity comprises only a portion of Russell's doctrines; and his slant on it is very peculiar.
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Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough to protect people from the wrath of God. Though his physical body's demise is adequate retribution for people's sins, its death doesn't gain anybody exoneration.
• Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered over to death for our sins, and was restored to life for our justification.
The Greek word translated "justification" is dikaiosis (dik-ah'-yo-sis) which means acquittal; defined as an adjudication of innocence.
People merely forgiven still carry a load of guilt; viz: they have a criminal record. The resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body deletes their record so that on the books, it's as though they've never been anything but 100% innocent.
This clearing of one's guilt that I'm talking about is obtained via the kindness and generosity of God through belief in the resurrection of Christ's crucified dead body. If the Devil can succeed in convincing people that Jesus' crucified body is still dead or, even better yet, make them question whether the man even existed at all; then they will fail to obtain an acquittal, and consequently end up put to death in brimstone when they stand to face justice at the great white throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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This doesn't take into account the countless billions that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ. Are they condemned for unbelief?You say, "It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins..."
John 3:18 says they were already condemned, because they do not believe. In other words, their lack of belief disallowed salvation. But they are condemned for their sin, their willful enmity with God.
That's what we like to tell ourselves.The tragedy is that most people don't want to be saved. ...
Are you saying that Jesus died to save us from God? (seems so) What's wrong with this picture?Were I the Devil, I would do my utmost best to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ's crucified dead body because his crucifixion is only half enough to protect people from the wrath of God.
This doesn't take into account the countless billions that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ. Are they condemned for unbelief?
The only people that will live in heaven are those that God gave to Jesus to die for, redeeming them from all of their sins. Jesus did not die for all mankind, only those that God gave him..
It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.
• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.
The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.
Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:
Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.
Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.
As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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Or was it all of us?
In other words, what happens to people when they end up in Hell?
50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
I don't think Scientology is making any claim to be Christian. Christian Science is another story. Claiming Jesus was the first "scientist".Wow, I thought Scientology was much, much bigger; they had a pretty big push in New York when I visited a few years back, right on Times Square. Guess not though. Can't speak for the members but having watched them out of the corner of my eye over the past couple decades, I don't expect to see the leaders in heaven.
Three things to consider. Forgiveness, Forgiveness, forgiveness..
It is a terrible, awful tragedy that so many people end up in Hell simply because they didn't believe Christ's crucifixion is an adequate retribution for their sins; and also that God is fully agreeable to shredding the indictment He was compiling against them listing all the bad things they ever did, and/or they will ever do, in thought, word, and deed.
• 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ; not counting men's sins against them.
The Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory. Bear with me while I flesh this out a bit.
Rev 20:11-15 depicts an enormous courtroom scene-- sometimes referred to as the great white throne event --wherein books will be opened. The word is plural because there's a book being kept for each individual. Were a redeemed sinner's book to be opened, there would be no entries in so it would appear as if they have never been anything but 100% innocent. For example:
Let's say, hypothetically, that a redeemed Charles Manson is summoned to appear and a bailiff delivers his book to the Judge. Upon examining Charles' book, the Judge would have to acquit Mr. Manson because there would be no entries in his book for the Judge to charge him with.
Now of course many of us from back in the twentieth century know what a degenerate scum bag Charles was in life; but no matter. Were he redeemed, none of Charles' scuminess would be recorded in his book, viz: he would not be required to answer for the gruesome murder of Sharon Tate and her unborn child.
As outrageous, and as an intolerable miscarriage of justice as that may seem; it serves to give a pretty good idea of just how effective Christ's crucifixion is as an adequate retribution for people's sins.
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I just said, they go to hell for their sin. Their unbelief disallows them from heaven. The judgement they suffer is for sin. The payment is for their debt.This doesn't take into account the countless billions that have gone into the afterlife with no knowledge of Jesus Christ. Are they condemned for unbelief?
No. Here's what you wrote that I replied to.I just said, they go to hell for their sin. Their unbelief disallows them from heaven. The judgement they suffer is for sin. The payment is for their debt.
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