Who did Moses chat with?

[patience7]

who did adam and eve listen to, God or Satan?

Well, I know who they listened to - you said that he was the first to break the ten - NO - He only had one and he couldn't do it - Then the LAW came along and we couldn't do that either!!!

 

[from scratch]

Well, I know who they listened to - you said that he was the first to break the ten - NO - He only had one and he couldn't do it - Then the LAW came along and we couldn't do that either!!!

That looks like it is right on the money.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Well, I know who they listened to - you said that he was the first to break the ten - NO - He only had one and he couldn't do it - Then the LAW came along and we couldn't do that either!!!

ok, since you know to whom they listened, then surely, you know how it ties to this verse:

Romans 6:16(NKJV)
16Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

so, it should be clear that they broke the first commandment!

and the psalmist said:

Psalms 119:172(NKJV)
172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

along with what john said:

1 John 3:10(NKJV)
10In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

which all compliments what paul said:

Romans 8:4(NKJV)
4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh (gal 5:19-21) but according to the Spirit.

 

[patience7]

ok, since you know to whom they listened, then surely, you know how it ties to this verse:

Romans 6:16(NKJV)
16Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

so, it should be clear that they broke the first commandment!

But that commandment was not part of the ten which you said they broke. If you know Romans 6:16 then you must be familiar with what comes next - BUT God be thanked that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

and the psalmist said:

Psalms 119:172(NKJV)
172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

along with what john said:

1 John 3:10(NKJV)
10In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

Psalm is the old covenant. The verse in 1 John 3:10 - You can't be a child of God and a child of the devil at the same time! You're either born again of God's spirit (child of God) or not (child of the devil). Everyone that is a child of God - their heart's desire is to not sin but if we do sin we have an advocate with our Father, Jesus Christ. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

which all compliments what paul said:

Romans 8:4(NKJV)
4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh (gal 5:19-21) but according to the Spirit.

The righteous requirement of the law with the new covenant is faith in Jesus Christ - that is the fulfillment of the law. We cannot please God in the flesh and "we are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. . . And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness".
Romans 10:3-4 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.

 

[Frogster]

how come it's got to be me!

what words?

Everyone is trying to help you John, lower your defenses and listen to us.

Proverbs 1:20
Wisdom calls aloud in the street, she raises her voice in the public squares;

 

[from scratch]

ok, since you know to whom they listened, then surely, you know how it ties to this verse:

Romans 6:16(NKJV)
16Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

so, it should be clear that they broke the first commandment!

and the psalmist said:

Psalms 119:172(NKJV)
172 My tongue shall speak of Your word, For all Your commandments are righteousness.

along with what john said:

1 John 3:10(NKJV)
10In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

which all compliments what paul said:

Romans 8:4(NKJV)
4that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh (gal 5:19-21) but according to the Spirit.

You still haven't gotten by this - The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. Deut 5:3

Is Moses correct or is he lying?

 

[from scratch]

Well I take it by the poll that Jesus didn't issue the 10 Cs after all if He wasn't the one that talked to Moses.

 

[David64]

Well I take it by the poll that Jesus didn't issue the 10 Cs after all if He wasn't the one that talked to Moses.

You're just one of the 21 who are wrong then.
You can't go by polls.
God doesn't take a poll and then do whatever is popular

 

[YosemiteSam]

Lol... Too funny john

 

[from scratch]

You're just one of the 21 who are wrong then.
You can't go by polls.
God doesn't take a poll and then do whatever is popular

Well I'm really not going by the poll to establish my point. It is interesting that the majority don't believe that Moses talked to Jesus. I haven't seen any proof that is the case. Do you have some I should examine?

And since YSam thinks you're funny please entertain us comedian.

 

[David64]

Well I'm really not going by the poll to establish my point. It is interesting that the majority don't believe that Moses talked to Jesus. I haven't seen any proof that is the case. Do you have some I should examine?

And since YSam thinks you're funny please entertain us comedian.

The "Word", the one who became the Christ, is the one who interacted with man from creation on.

Until Jesus revealed the Father, the Father was unknown.

If you can read the Bible and not understand that Jesus was the God of the OT I can't help you.

 

[from scratch]

The "Word", the one who became the Christ, is the one who interacted with man from creation on.

Until Jesus revealed the Father, the Father was unknown.

If you can read the Bible and not understand that Jesus was the God of the OT I can't help you.

Who is the Speaker in Gen 3:15?

 

[David64]

Who is the Speaker in Gen 3:15?

That does not speak to the subject at hand and proves nothing except that there is more than one member of the godhead.

 

[Tyndale]

Moses talked to both God the father, Jesus and also the Holy Ghost. One day the elect will be part of that and we'll be one big united happy family, so we keep hoping and praying to be a part of them.

 

[from scratch]

That does not speak to the subject at hand and proves nothing except that there is more than one member of the godhead.

Beg you pardon. Why do you say this? And while you're at it answer the question whether or not you think it has something to do with the op. I don't ask rabbit trail questions.

 

[from scratch]

Moses talked to both God the father, Jesus and also the Holy Ghost. One day the elect will be part of that and we'll be one big united happy family, so we keep hoping and praying to be a part of them.

Not without conflating the Godhead into a single being thus doing away with the the trinity. Moses addressed the same Being in the trinity every time. Who did Moses ask to see? Who told him no? Can't be Jesus.

 

[David64]

Beg you pardon. Why do you say this? And while you're at it answer the question whether or not you think it has something to do with the op. I don't ask rabbit trail questions.

Christ is the "Word", the "Logos", the "Spoksman" of the godhead, the "I Am" the one that man has heard from, from the beginning.

1. Jesus claimed to be the I Am who was before Abraham in Jo. 8:58.
The Jews of His day knew He was claiming to be the God of the OT, that's why they tried to stone Him for blasphemy.

2. Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd.
King David said in the 23 Ps. that the Lord was his shepherd.

3. Jesus said He was judge of all men and nations in Jo. 5:22, 27.
Joel 3:12 says the Lord will sit to judge all...nations.

4. Jesus said He was the light of the world in Jo. 8:12.
Isa. 60:19 says the Lord will be to you an everlasting light, and your glory.
David said in Ps. 27:1 the Lord is my light.

5. In Rev. 1:17 Jesus says He is the first and the last.
In Isa. 44:6, the Lord of the OT says, I am the first and the last.

Compare Jo. 17: 5 and Isa. 42:8.
Compare Mat. 25:1 with Isa. 62:5 and Hosea 2:16.

I'm sure this will fall on some deaf ears but I hope some will hear and understand.

 

[from scratch]

Christ is the "Word", the "Logos", the "Spoksman" of the godhead, the "I Am" the one that man has heard from, from the beginning.

Nope to the the idea of Jesus being the exclusive spokesman of God and Nope to Jesus saying He was the I AM mentioned in Ex 3:14.

1. Jesus claimed to be the I Am who was before Abraham in Jo. 8:58.
The Jews of His day knew He was claiming to be the God of the OT, that's why they tried to stone Him for blasphemy.

Read the verse you referenced. Here - Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. Even the newest NIV 2011 isn't poluted enough to change the lower case found in the KJV. The ISV 2008 does though. Is this warranted? No! look at the sentence structure. We have the various phrases -

• before Abraham was born
• before Abraham was even born
• before Abraham was
• before there was an Abraham
• Before Abraham would exist
• Before Abraham came into being
• before Abraham was made
• that before Abraham came into existence
• Before Abraham's coming

All as in 100% of the statements have to do with time sequence only. We can't remove the phrase about Abraham with out changing the claim of Jesus saying He is God. It simply wouldn't make sense. Surely the phrase about Abraham appears in the Greek. I didn't find any version without mentioning Abraham. I find that Abraham is crucial to the verse and intended menaning.

For your intended claim that Jesus is claiming to be the I AM THAT I AM this (phrase about Abraham) wouldn't be crucial or serve any purpose.

2. Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd.
King David said in the 23 Ps. that the Lord was his shepherd.

So where is support that David knew he was talking about Jesus anywhere with anything dealing with David. David is under the Hear, O' Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord. Deut 6:4 The Jews didn't accept Jesus because of this very statement from the law. They ignored or didn't understand many other though. What you have done here is show a common phrase and declared them to mean exactly the same thing to which I can't agree.

3. Jesus said He was judge of all men and nations in Jo. 5:22, 27.
Joel 3:12 says the Lord will sit to judge all...nations.

Don't want to leave one point out. My response is so what? I don't see how this establishes even in any remote way that Moses talked to Jesus. Same goes for the above. I also don't see how this connects to Jesus being THE IAM THAT I AM of Ex 3:14.

4. Jesus said He was the light of the world in Jo. 8:12.
Isa. 60:19 says the Lord will be to you an everlasting light, and your glory.
David said in Ps. 27:1 the Lord is my light.

Ditto the above.

5. In Rev. 1:17 Jesus says He is the first and the last.
In Isa. 44:6, the Lord of the OT says, I am the first and the last.

Neither say anything about beingt THE I AM THAT I AM.

Compare Jo. 17: 5 and Isa. 42:8.
Compare Mat. 25:1 with Isa. 62:5 and Hosea 2:16.

Look if you wish to show the or a textual analaisis I might be more interested in your references. Same goes for all the above.

I'm sure this will fall on some deaf ears but I hope some will hear and understand.

No I'm just not going to do your textual analisis work for you. Anything I say you just say I'm wrong and give no alternative. Neither does your church where you get this from. You have verses with no understanding at least expressed.

 

[David64]

My response is so what.

That is the basic answer you give any time you are faced with even a little truth.
If you wanted to know the truth you would take what I have given you and build on it. There is plenty more where that came from.
And then you whine when I don't bother to give you scripture.
You can't understand when I do, so I don't bother wasting my time.

 

[from scratch]

That is the basic answer you give any time you are faced with even a little truth.
If you wanted to know the truth you woold take what I have given you and build on it. There is plenty more where that came from.
And then you whine when I don't bother to give you scripture.
You can't understand when I do, so I don't bother wasting my time.

Nope it isn't the truth that I'm faced with that elicits such a comment. It is directly related to your response of posting Scripture with no comments an you're expecting me to consent to your view. But then why should I expect anything different. You specialize in slamming people. You seldom if ever offer discussion on the post let alone the topic.

It has been said some here post just to be posting.

Naw you're not wasting your time. You know zactly what your doing. Essentially you're playing the rules.