Who designed God?

[Certainty]

God is claimed by many to be the "designer" of the universe and all life on earth because all of this is so improbable that it can't have happened naturally.

if God can create these apparant "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existance to become the creator. Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

 

[wpage]

God is the Supreme being who made all things...

His Son is the Lord and giver of life.

Who are you to question Him?

 

[BondiHarry]

God is claimed by many to be the "designer" of the universe

God is the one who has made the claim that He created us and all we know.

and all life on earth because all of this is so improbable that it can't have happened naturally.

Since our science demonstrates that life ONLY comes from life, life as we know it could not have happened 'naturally'.

if God can create these apparant "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existance to become the creator.

Probably the only people who have any chance of finding an answer to this are those who will enjoy eternal life with God.

Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

Our finite minds are comfortable with things that have beginnings but cannot imagine God who has no beginning. If we cannot come to grips with the importance of holiness and the evil of sin (hmmm, is killing unborn babies wrong? disposing of a spouse with whom we've become bored wrong? is spreading lethal STDs and making those unwanted children because our own pleasure is more important to us than the wellbeing of those we take to bed or the lives of those children that result from our uncontrolled libidos wrong?) we probably have no hope of coming to grips with our questions about God.

 

[lifeis_myplayground]

I always find the question of the origin of God, or whatever higher power one believes in, to be somewhat fascinating. Especially in the context of this higher being having no time/space boundaries. If god can move through time and space, his/her origin may logically in reference to our linear time-line lay in the future. So does the higher power have to have an origin? Maybe, but it certainly could in my mind and it could be an origin of our own eventual making even.

There is a series of books, the Hyperion Series by Dan Simmons, that plays with the idea of god being the eventual evolution of the human race. I also think there is a short story by Asimov that has a similar notion behind it. Interesting possibilities to think about if nothing else.

Cheers

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Shorely (you mean 'surely') he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

'I'm afraid it's 'turtles' all the way down, old chap.'

 

[EphesiaNZ]

if God can create these apparant "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existance to become the creator. Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

Yes, if this is true then the designer of that designer is still happening as its an infinite event and we don't actually exist because the "designer who created God" is still waiting for that infinite designer to be created in order for the designer and God to exist - so we actually don't exist at this moment in time.

Do you get my drift?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Who are you to question Him?

This is like asking "Who are you to think?"

Who does one have to be? All one has to be is a human being. Asking questions and forming understanding is what we do.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

Since our science demonstrates that life ONLY comes from life, life as we know it could not have happened 'naturally'.

Science has not demonstrated this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Incariol]

God is claimed by many to be the "designer" of the universe and all life on earth because all of this is so improbable that it can't have happened naturally.

if God can create these apparant "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existance to become the creator. Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI. Before Zeus reigned on Olympus, or ever Allah was Allah, had wrought and rested, MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI.

 

[BondiHarry]

Science has not demonstrated this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Uh huh. Let me rephrase that then, in EVERY single example where we have a life, it came from an existing life. In every experiment to create life from non-living matter, we only wind up with non-living matter. So the conclusion is life as we know it only comes from existing life since this is what is always observed and life does not come from non-life since this is never observed. If 'science has not demonstrated this' when this is what is always observed, I wonder what your criteria is for science proving anything.

 

[sandwiches]

Uh huh. Let me rephrase that then, in EVERY single example where we have a life, it came from an existing life. In every experiment to create life from non-living matter, we only wind up with non-living matter. So the conclusion is life as we know it only comes from existing life since this is what is always observed and life does not come from non-life since this is never observed. If 'science has not demonstrated this' when this is what is always observed, I wonder what your criteria is for science proving anything.

First off, science doesn't 'prove' things. So, there's no criteria for it.

Second, let me correct you and be more specific. Not only have we never seen life come from non-life, the ONLY life we've ever observed has come from previous life made of atoms, occurring naturally within the confines of the natural laws. Does that describe your god?

 

[thesunisout]

No one created Him nor is anyone a God to Him. He is eternal and self-existant. He has always been there; there was never anything else but Him. He has no beginning or end.

God is claimed by many to be the "designer" of the universe and all life on earth because all of this is so improbable that it can't have happened naturally.

if God can create these apparant "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existance to become the creator. Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

 

[drich0150]

God is claimed by many to be the "designer" of the universe and all life on earth because all of this is so improbable that it can't have happened naturally.

if God can create these apparent "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existence to become the creator. Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

This linear line of thought presupposes that time existed before God. When in fact time is not a constant nor is it an absolute. Time was apart of creation, so before there was time there was God.

God is the absolute you believe time to be.

 

[chris4243]

Eternal things don't need a creator. This is equally true of God and of any possible secular explanation for how we came into existence.

 

[quatona]

Eternal things don't need a creator. This is equally true of God and of any possible secular explanation for how we came into existence.

What would keep me from declaring the universe eternal - just like the theist declares god eternal?

 

[Incariol]

No one is talking about my quote of Lord Dunsany.

 

[Eudaimonist]

In every experiment to create life from non-living matter, we only wind up with non-living matter.

So far. But Scientists have not concluded that it is impossible, but that it's just not that easy for human beings to accomplish with the present scientific knowledge, budgets, and technologies.

So the conclusion is life as we know it only comes from existing life

Whose conclusion? This is not some standard scientific view.

If 'science has not demonstrated this' when this is what is always observed, I wonder what your criteria is for science proving anything.

Perhaps you are thinking of Science's rejection of "spontaneous generation". This wasn't a blanket rejection of abiogenesis (life from non-life), but a rejection of the idea that, for example, food spoils because living things such as insects or disease "spontaneously generate" within that food. What scientists learned is that all you have to do is heat food to a sufficiently high temperature, put it in a can, and the food will last unspoiled for a long period of time.

Science merely falsified the view that food spoils because of spontaneous generation. Life was there beforehand.

It is not the view of scientists that life could not have formed on Earth through abiogenic processes, but merely that such processes don't explain such things as food spoilage.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[truewinner]

That is why God is eternal. The reasoning of saying that God had to come from or was created by something else only spurs this question into an infinite pattern that has no origin. That is why God must be the absolute beginning and eternal.

 

[Eudaimonist]

That is why God is eternal. The reasoning of saying that God had to come from or was created by something else only spurs this question into an infinite pattern that has no origin. That is why God must be the absolute beginning and eternal.

That's also why I say that the universe is uncreated, and is the source of time/change.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Pikaia]

If God is beyond the space-time continuum, He created it, right? Yet, how does One perform an action like "create" without time? How could there even be a "time" "before" the space-time continuum? Does this mean that it exists eternally with God, or that He is One with it?