Who designed God?

[talquin]

No one created Him nor is anyone a God to Him. He is eternal and self-existant. He has always been there; there was never anything else but Him. He has no beginning or end.

That's a fallacy of special pleading. If you claim that the universe must have had a creator and that creator is God, then you are on the hook to explain how God was created.

 

[talquin]

Eternal things don't need a creator. This is equally true of God and of any possible secular explanation for how we came into existence.

How do you know the universe isn't eternal?

 

[talquin]

If God is beyond the space-time continuum, He created it, right? Yet, how does One perform an action like "create" without time? How could there even be a "time" "before" the space-time continuum? Does this mean that it exists eternally with God, or that He is One with it?

That is a rhetorical question. Christians can't provide an appropriate answer to it. You might as well say that there is no evidence that a god exists.

 

[talquin]

The Law of Causation applies to the Universe. The Creator, by definition, is outside the Universe. Before asking "what caused God?" we must answer "Does God need a cause?". We cannot answer that yet.

If the universe needs a cause and that cause is God, then God needs a cause. Otherwise you're engaging in the fallacy of special pleading.

 

[talquin]

We should also answer "Does the universe need a cause?" first.

What difference does it make if the universe wasn't caused?

 

[talquin]

Here's where the dancing happens. You say it's universal, I say that it applies to God then, you use special pleading to excuse your god from it, I say we can use that same excuse for the universe, you quote the "law" again and say it's universal, and we're back to square one.

Point is: Either everything has to be caused or NOT everything has to be caused. If not everything has to be caused, then it's possible the universe isn't.

All things can be divided into two categories:
1) Began to exist (BE)
2) Did not begin to exist (NBE)

Christians are asserting that the universe was caused by an NBE and that NBE was God. However, unless they can show that all other potential NBE couldn't be the cause of the universe, they are engaging in the fallacy of begging the question.

For more on this, read Cosmological Kalamity

 

[ThinkForYourself]

God is claimed by many to be the "designer" of the universe and all life on earth because all of this is so improbable that it can't have happened naturally.

if God can create these apparant "irreducibly" complex things, He must be even more Irreducibly complex therefore how did he come into existance to become the creator. Shorely he must have been designed by an even greater being, but then again who designed that designer?

My personal belief is that he came into existence through Special Pleading.

 

[Mickiel]

That is a rhetorical question. Christians can't provide an appropriate answer to it. You might as well say that there is no evidence that a god exists.

What do you think of this evidence;

Is God Real?

 

[Eudaimonist]

All things can be divided into two categories:
1) Began to exist (BE)
2) Did not begin to exist (NBE)

Christians are asserting that the universe was caused by an NBE and that NBE was God. However, unless they can show that all other potential NBE couldn't be the cause of the universe, they are engaging in the fallacy of begging the question.

For more on this, read Cosmological Kalamity

They are begging the question simply by asserting that any entities at all are in category BE.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[lesliedellow]

Originality was never the atheists' strong point, was it?

 

[talquin]

What do you think of this evidence;

Is God Real?

Interesting discussion. But there is no evidence at that page that a god really exists.

 

[Davian]

Originality was never the atheists' strong point, was it?

The burden should lie with the religionists to come up with something new.