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Yes.exactly. PLUS if the person gets baptized as an infant, I am sorry, but that infant can walk away from the catholic church and be no better off or closer to salvation. SO, in my opinion, salvation IS a decision of the heart of the person.
being redeemed from the fall of mankind.define baptism!
Yeah, uh huh... that's why Paul said there is only ONE baptism for the remissions of sins.I see two baptisms.. I see the Spiritual baptism where we are baptized in to Christ and I see the one where we are baptized as an outward sign to an inner work..
and this comes from..... what?being redeemed from the fall of mankind.
We do not view it as a person is 'getting saved' when they are baptized, just that they are being made a child of God and they enter into God's family.
They of course will have to go on to accept what God has done for them if they will be saved in the end.
and Which one would this be bene? Just getting baptized in water does not make you a believer or deliver you from sin.. Being baptized into Christ or being born again does.. Water will just get you wet if you are not born again..Yeah, uh huh... that's why Paul said there is only ONE baptism for the remissions of sins.
being redeemed from the fall of mankind.
We do not view it as a person is 'getting saved' when they are baptized, just that they are being made a child of God and they enter into God's family.
They of course will have to go on to accept what God has done for them if they will be saved in the end.
Scripture. Anyone who is "believer baptized" is just as vulnerable as the one who is paedobaptized. Thta is, unless you buy into that OSAS business, which is neither logically nor biblically defensible.and this comes from..... what?
firstly, OSAS is bibically defensible.Scripture. Anyone who is "believer baptized" is just as vulnerable as the one who is paedobaptized. Thta is, unless you buy into that OSAS business, which is neither logically nor biblically defensible.
Neither Catholics nor Orthodox believe this.So even though my fiance' is a born again Christian, she has never been "water baptized" if she died she'd likely go to hell in your opinion? because it is a necessary sacrement?
Arianism is biblically defensible- but false.firstly, OSAS is bibically defensible.
secondly, what is the point of infant baptism, if even an adult baptism can be null?
and thirdly, scripture mentions squat about infant baptism.
Yes it does remit sin, Paul said so and he never spoke of two baptism, no one in the bible did, with the exception of Jhon's baptism.and Which one would this be bene? Just getting baptized in water does not make you a believer or deliver you from sin.. Being baptized into Christ or being born again does.. Water will just get you wet if you are not born again..
I disagree it does have to do with redemption and one can not be saved unless they have been redeemed.must you always be so offensive in your posting? You can answer without being so sarcastic and combative. Water baptism has nothing to do with salvation.
but what IAA said is true though Bene. I don't believe what the Catholics teach on this to be true..so I could come and say you are tacking on false stuff...but it may not be in your eyes. That is ok. Water baptism is for obedience because Jesus did it..and I did it in obedience to that. I already knew Jesus before that and lived my life for Him before that. So getting baptised really didn't do 'anything' for me.
I understand what you are saying. I appreciate it. I may disagree with it..from what I have read you and others say. But..I guess if I beleived it I would be Catholic! LOL..but anyway.I disagree it does have to do with redemption and one can not be saved unless they have been redeemed.
And I am not combative, just tired of members not caring to know correctly what we believe and just want to preach at us how wrong we are.
You in the stigmata thread was truly interested in what we had to say and the thread went along nicely, until others wanted to come in and tell us how unbiblical we are.
My point is, one can not know what we believe if they do not listen to us and do not care about what we have to say.
Is that too much to ask? Understand our belief right and do not perpetuate false premises of them.
Everything said here is a false understanding of what we believe baptism is.
You do not have to agree but just know what it is we do believe.
By the way, how are you feleing? better I hope. Pneumonia is nothing to play around with. I had it twice, it's horrible.
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