Who are thy Gods

[Fuzzy]

Welp, when over 40 writers from a span of 1500 years writes 66 books that never contradict and all have the same teachings/writings, all flow together perfectly, then you start to see that there must be something infallible involved.

Then why is there still the Jewish faith? Since they helped write those
66 books, and Jews were contemporaries of Christ, and part of the original
covenant with YHVH/God/The Father, why haven't they accepted Jesus
as the Messiah foretold by their own prophets? Is it because they are flesh
and prone to fallibility? Is it because your belief in the Bible as infallible is
part of your faith? Is it because they have a covenant with YHVH while
you have a covenant with Jesus Christ? Why are there so many different
versions of the Bible? Translation into other languages to get the message
across is one thing. But multiple translations in the same language? Is it
because someone translated it wrong? But its infallible. That means it's
exempt from mistake. So...the infallible book had mistakes which prompted
new versions?

I can use the Bible to state that there were two distinct creations:
one of the Earth, and one of the Judeo-Christian god's chosen people.
"Elohim", in Genesis 1 can be translated as either referencing the
majesty of God, or God is talking to the choirs of Heaven, or there's
a pantheon talking about what they're going to do, and then Yahweh
sets up Eden, Adam, and Eve on his own.

The bible is inspiring. It has parts that serve as historical record. Its
infallibility is a matter of faith, which is a matter of your faith. Is it
your god's holy word? I'm assuming so, but he's not my god. I have no
holy book. I have my communication directly with that which I hold divine.

 

[Fuzzy]

Why is it that almost all people posting here in the non-religious section

This is the "Non-Christian Religion" section

 

[peaceful soul]

Then why is there still the Jewish faith? Since they helped write those
66 books, and Jews were contemporaries of Christ, and part of the original
covenant with YHVH/God/The Father, why haven't they accepted Jesus
as the Messiah foretold by their own prophets? Is it because they are flesh
and prone to fallibility? Is it because your belief in the Bible as infallible is
part of your faith? Is it because they have a covenant with YHVH while
you have a covenant with Jesus Christ? Why are there so many different
versions of the Bible? Translation into other languages to get the message
across is one thing. But multiple translations in the same language? Is it
because someone translated it wrong? But its infallible. That means it's
exempt from mistake. So...the infallible book had mistakes which prompted
new versions?

I can use the Bible to state that there were two distinct creations:
one of the Earth, and one of the Judeo-Christian god's chosen people.
"Elohim", in Genesis 1 can be translated as either referencing the
majesty of God, or God is talking to the choirs of Heaven, or there's
a pantheon talking about what they're going to do, and then Yahweh
sets up Eden, Adam, and Eve on his own.

The bible is inspiring. It has parts that serve as historical record. Its
infallibility is a matter of faith, which is a matter of your faith. Is it
your god's holy word? I'm assuming so, but he's not my god. I have no
holy book. I have my communication directly with that which I hold divine.

I suggest that you do some research on Bible History. That would be a start for your understanding.

 

[Achichem]

Heathen, ever realize your just making up excuses for this logic of yours without anything to truly support them.

"A lifetime is proof of logical process, so inorder to negated a point in someone’s living conviction remember not to question logical process, but only the validity in the points therein.Those who do otherwise have themselves fallen victim to the enemy of human rationality -- human ego -- which demands nothing in reply”

Opinions and self generated views on God or gods isnt the infallible truth, nor is it dependable.

Actual statement: I agree
In your context: “Everything I say, is simply the external manifestation of the conversations between me, myself and I”

And as my late teacher told me after I called him an ignorant retard,I now say to you: “don’t be so hard on yourself”

 

[Hydra009]

It's kind of interesting that when a non-Christian makes a claim about Christianity, even one as seemingly benign as "I don't see the Bible as the infallible truth" he/she gets clubbed over the head by accusations of "not knowing the Bible." Come on, people. We can be a little more civil than that.

 

[Fuzzy]

I suggest that you do some research on Bible History. That would be a start for your understanding.

I've done research on Bible History. My understanding of the Christian
bible does not view it as the infallible document Crispie maintains it is.

There was the Pentateuch, then the Apocrypha, then the New Testament
was written, then both Testaments were restricted to Latin (circa 600 AD),
then beginning in 1380 or so, various people began translating it into
different, "common" languages to make it accessible to the people.
Translation inspired translation, and then in the 1880's, the Apocrypha
was dropped by Protestants. New translations and versions continued to
be written, with the purpose of either eliminating arcane language, correcting
errors, or making it easier to read.

Please, PLEASE, inform me where I'm not understanding that manuscript's
history.

 

[God_of_Mercy]

ok, first of all why is there a need for thousands of gods? I mean honestly, how many sun gods are there from different religions. If they all exist who is the real sun god? It is just convenent to say "yeah they all exist" but a bunch of them lie. You really have nothing to back that up other than you dislike of Christianity. If im not mistaken you( Heathen Dawn) dont like the idea of Hell. This is where we come to the picking and choosing. You accept Christiainity as a spirtual path and that the relationship with God is real. But you dont like how it claims to be the only true religion and all that dont follow Christianity go to Hell. So what you did was take out the Hell and only true religion part and put in that Yahweh is real but lied about Himself being the one true God. Therefore by ur logic everybody wins and you can follow any path you want. You say all gods are real but never think that some religions were just made up. There is just really no reasoning behind what you think. Its also conveient that you dont have to explain creation at all. You just go along with evolution and earth being 4.5 billion years old or whatever(dont know exact age). I just see no basis to ur logic at all.
Also what do you think of Jesus? is he really the Son of God? was Jesus a liar to?

 

[peaceful soul]

This is the "Non-Christian Religion" section

Did you understand what I posted. If so, how did that comment come into play?

 

[Starcrystal]

Ravenwolf,

well i believe in One God(no gender implied , but both)as having many aspects as such, God and Goddess, and as well as the different Gods and Goddesses of other cultures, but again they are all One pervading energy or consciosness. I see Yahweh as the discription of the One, i think that the Jewish people had chosen to only view the One God as such and chose to not view the One or I AM as other aspects but as whole.
I personally think that was rude of him to say Yahweh lied( i think i know who u r speaking of), but of course I hold a much diffrent view of Divinity than he does. Yahweh is not lying but as speaking the Truth in very hidden ways and that when these hidden things are takin literally rather than metaphorically and symbolic than they become what they were not. But the scripture itself are not lies, just hidden Truth's....very hidden.
So there are some pagans who view Gods and Goddessess as completley separate, but I do not so I guess i am not of to much help to most of your questions.
Blessings
~ravenwolf

Nice! .....Right on.

Some "gods" are spirits that want to be gods for whatever reasons. Other "gods" are simply fabrications of mens minds, and I think sometimes when a person throws enough energy out there, they can actually "create" their own gods. A lot of it is mans perception of the divine and by using human wisdom they create entire religions based on what they perceive "God" to be...

Yahweh is depicted for the most part as "Father" but in actuality Yahweh has no gender. This is revealed in Scripture where it says God is NOT a man, and also where it speaks of God in the feminine motherly sense.

Truly God is a mystery, the Creator of all, and reveals hidden secrets to some through revelation visions, visitations, and inspirations. The Scriptures do reveal hidden truths, and this is why Jesus often spoke in parables.... Notice that the well educated religious leaders hardly ever understood him?

Our prayer should be for the Spirit of God to guide us into all truth and to show us things to come. We have no need for mans teachings: they might just lead to confusion. Look at all the opposing teachings on various Christian doctrines. The True Spirit cuts through all that nonsense and shines brightly as a light that illuminates our darkness.

 

[Fuzzy]

Did you understand what I posted. If so, how did that comment come into play?

You'd stated that you thought it odd that people in the non-religious section
were dictating what your holy book said, implying a lack of spirituality.
The title of this section is non-Christian religion, implying a spirituality
different from yours. Right? Wrong? You, as a Christian, have the opinion
that the "non-Christian" is mistaken. There is a difference between
"not religious" and "not religious like you/me." I included the " " as light
hearted inflection. I dunno, maybe you'd made a typo.

I'd still like someone to correct me on the history of the creation of the Bible.

 

[Volos]

Thanks for stating that Crispie.

Actually, I have been reading this thread and others and am quite disturbed by what I read. Pluralism can not exist if only one holy text goes against that notion. That makes a lie of those texts and makes the proponent look quite foolish to continue to push this idea.

actually no it does not. You have made the assumption that any religion is something other than a human creation. Religion is a human construction to give form to a spiritual need. One need not have any religion to have a personal relationship with the Divine but the human psyche seems to enjoy it.

Pluralism makes a central truth unknowable and everything becomes questionable or relative.

Relativism only comes into play when demands for objective truth come into play. but in the case of the Divine the objective truth IS unknowable.

This is what makes faith faith and not fact. We cannot know we can only believe.

Subjective ideologies then have the upper hand. No one can refute the other and have the one correct view of anything.

All religious belief is subjective. no one can claim to have the correct view of religion All that can be said is person A agrees with what I believe and person B does not. All this shows is that person B believes differently not that person A and you have some insight into truth.

That allows for the proponents of pluralism to have no accountability to what they do - except it be of their own judgement or of only those who hold their views. They can easily say that it is true for you but not for me. You have your truths and I have mine; so do not judge me.

you have mistaken religious pluralism with moral relativism, the two are not equivalent

This kind of blindness is what prevails in our world today. Unfortunately, they are just as committed to believing it as a Christian is to his or her relationship to Christ. The main difference with a Christian is that he or she has The Word and The Spirit to guide them unto righteousness. To be fair, I can understand their perspective,

yet you display no understanding at all.

Why is it that almost all people posting here in the non-religious section do not know Bible well enough to comment on it in any detail, but yet they can tell us what it says and means with absolute conviction?

you seem to be complaining about individual who do not share the same personal interpretation of this book as you do. Why is it important to you that others believe precisely what you wish them to believe?

How can they say that it is not from God on that basis?

again you are upset that people are not believing what you want them to believe.

They are fooling themselves immensely.

how so?

 

[Norseman]

To often i hear people just say "the gods". I would like to know who these gods really are. I mean the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob is so well described. We know his nature and just a lot about who He is. This question is aimed at pagan gods and mabye wicca if you wanna. How many of them are there? What do they do?

Another question. I recently had a talk with a pagan and they said the Christian God exist but lied about every thing and Christianity is underly false, but the relationship with Him is real. Does this make all the Gods of every religion exist? Why would God(Christian God) and every other one lie and make up a religion. Are they like competing with each other to see who gets the most followers. I just seems like such odd logic. And why would God have a relationship with you and do all the things he said in the bible, then you say the bible is false. I dont get it.

Well, Yawgmoth is my favorite god. He's totally awesome, I mean the guy's 8 feet tall, 500 pounds, and can jump over a tree, or rip the head off a horse. At least, he used to be able to. When he died for us, in order to perfect us, he left his flesh behind, as it chained his spirit. Now, he's embodied in the Phyrexians, he is Phyrexia. In the ninth orb of phyrexia, Yawgmoth's body lies, but among the entire multiverse lies Yawgmoth's spirit.

Now Multani is pretty sweet too, don't get me wrong, but he's too much of a tree hugger for me. He forms himself from any wood or plantlife where he chooses to be. He's pretty much invincible. As long as there's wood and plantlife, Multani will live on. When there is no longer wood nor plantlife, all will die. Multani basically has everybody by the gonads, annoy him, and he could as easily deny you food as he could outright kill you, even though he's not really the type that would do such a thing. As I mentioned earlier, he's a bit of a tree hugger, so he doesn't kill people often, and when he does it's only because they're trying pillage nature.

Now Gaia is very nice. Gaia has got Multani in the palm of her hands, and everyone else for that matter. Not even Yawgmoth would dare challenge Gaia. Yet, Gaia tends to leave other people to their ways, not caring so much who wins a battle, as she does that the battle is won, or preferably, never fought.

Though I don't believe in any of them, I'm just a huge MtG fan.

 

[light-bringer]

Happens to every thread...

 

[Rae]

I knew this was going to degenerate into attacks on my beliefs if I responded to the OP...just look below. I'm glad I didn't reply to it.

why is there a need for thousands of gods?

Ask twenty different people, even of the same faith, what God(s) they believe in. Each will give you a slightly different picture. That's why. We're all different, we all need different things from the Divine, so that's what we get.

If they all exist who is the real sun god?

All of them are real sun Gods, all animated by the same Divine spirit which wishes to have relationships with us.

It is just convenent to say "yeah they all exist" but a bunch of them lie.

No. They do all exist, but human beings both need different Gods and also get things wrong about the Gods, every last one of them.

You really have nothing to back that up other than you dislike of Christianity.

You seem to have nothing backing up your opinions other than your dislike of anything that doesn't conform to your religious beliefs.

There is just really no reasoning behind what you think.

Funny, that's what I see in those who are condemning those of us with non-Christian religious beliefs here. I see pre-formed prejudices against what we believe and that's about it.

Also what do you think of Jesus? is he really the Son of God? was Jesus a liar to?

I believe that Jesus is a God, just as Allah and Kuan Yin and Krishna and Isis and Cernunnos are Gods. I think people get things wrong about Jesus, yes, even in the Bible and even today, as well as they do about Allah and Kuan Yin and Krishna and so on. We're finite and limited beings. We will inevitably make mistakes about the Gods. I just don't think they mind as much as you think they do.

 

[light-bringer]

Lucifer is my Sun God.

 

[light-bringer]

quote
Also what do you think of Jesus? is he really the Son of God? was Jesus a liar to?

Jesus said only once that he is the Morning Star, like Lucifer.


NIV:* Revelation 22:16,
"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

NIV:* 2 Peter 1:19,
And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.

NIV:* Revelation 2:28--
I will also give him the morning star.

 

[Nathan David]

Welp, when over 40 writers from a span of 1500 years writes 66 books that never contradict and all have the same teachings/writings, all flow together perfectly, then you start to see that there must be something infallible involved.

No, you just have to see that there was good editing involved.

 

[God_of_Mercy]

Why do you people get mad when I ask you people questions and have you defend your faith? I mean just look at Gen Apologetics Christians are doing it everyday and you get mad cuz i challenge your faith?

 

[God_of_Mercy]

Funny, that's what I see in those who are condemning those of us with non-Christian religious beliefs here. I see pre-formed prejudices against what we believe and that's about it.

Thats not answering my question. I dont want this to be a hostile debate i just wanted to ask you people some questions. I will say it again what is your reasoning behind all your beliefs?

You seem to have nothing backing up your opinions other than your dislike of anything that doesn't conform to your religious beliefs

These are logical questions not opinions

 

[Proud Hindu]

Why do you people get mad when I ask you people questions and have you defend your faith? I mean just look at Gen Apologetics Christians are doing it everyday and you get mad cuz i challenge your faith?

No one’s getting mad.

ok, first of all why is there a need for thousands of gods? I mean honestly, how many sun gods are there from different religions. If they all exist who is the real sun god? It is just convenent to say "yeah they all exist" but a bunch of them lie.

The earth, of course, has only one Sun. Different cultures worship the Sun as one manifestation of the Supreme Consciousness – the aspect that gives warmth and light. The followers of Sanatana Dharma call it Surya, the Greeks call it Helios, but it is one and the same.

You really have nothing to back that up other than you dislike of Christianity. If im not mistaken you( Heathen Dawn) dont like the idea of Hell.

And why should he? The idea is mere superstition.

This is where we come to the picking and choosing. You accept Christiainity as a spirtual path and that the relationship with God is real. But you dont like how it claims to be the only true religion and all that dont follow Christianity go to Hell. So what you did was take out the Hell and only true religion part and put in that Yahweh is real but lied about Himself being the one true God. Therefore by ur logic everybody wins and you can follow any path you want. You say all gods are real but never think that some religions were just made up. There is just really no reasoning behind what you think.

Jesus said,

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Krishna also said that,

“Whoever serve Me--as I show Myself--
Constantly true, in full devotion fixed,
Those hold I very holy. But who serve--
Worshipping Me The One, The Invisible,
The Unrevealed, Unnamed, Unthinkable,
Uttermost, All-pervading, Highest, Sure--
Who thus adore Me, mastering their sense,
Of one set mind to all, glad in all good,
These blessed souls come unto Me.
Yet, hard
The travail is for such as bend their minds
To reach th' Unmanifest That viewless path
Shall scarce be trod by man bearing the flesh!
But whereso any doeth all his deeds
Renouncing self for Me, full of Me, fixed
To serve only the Highest, night and day
Musing on Me--him will I swiftly lift
Forth from life's ocean of distress and death,
Whose soul clings fast to Me. Cling thou to Me!
Clasp Me with heart and mind! so shalt thou dwell
Surely with Me on high.”

Both these Avataras said that no one reaches God except through “I” or “Me.” But do you think they were referring to their physical selfs? Their physical bodies are long gone. They meant worship “I” as the Self, the Supreme Consciousness. Anyone who wholeheartedly worships in any form will reach the Truth.

Its also conveient that you dont have to explain creation at all. You just go along with evolution and earth being 4.5 billion years old or whatever(dont know exact age). I just see no basis to ur logic at all.

And you Christians believe the world is only a few thousand years old, although rocks have been found that are millions of years old. The oldest rock found is 3.9 billion years old.

The ancient Hindu texts, the Vedas, gives the age of one cycle of the universe, a Day of Brahma, at 4.4 billion years. The estimated age is, indeed, 4.5 billion. You tell me which religion is more logical?

Also what do you think of Jesus? is he really the Son of God? was Jesus a liar to?

Lol, how can God have a son? Jesus can only be God. I’m not even going to try to straighten out Jesus’ family tree.

BTW, Norseman, that was hilarious! I thought those names were familiar, but couldn’t quite place them. I too once was a MtG player