White Supremacists Are Targeting College Campuses Like Never Before

FireDragon76 · Feb 4, 2018

Activism is not without its risks. I've seen whites march with BLM, seemingly without incident, though.

Personally, I would not, as a white person, necessarily feel comfortable being involved in BLM. Not without a certain amount of acknowledgement that my presence would be accepted. But that doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic to the frustration of people in the movement.

LostMarbels · Feb 4, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
Activism is not without its risks. I've seen whites march with BLM, seemingly without incident, though.

Personally, I would not, as a white person, necessarily feel comfortable being involved in BLM. Not without a certain amount of acknowledgement that my presence would be accepted. But that doesn't mean I'm not sympathetic to the frustration of people in the movement.

I agree with sympathy. I do not agree about employing the same bigotry and hate you claim to be fighting.

This, THIS is a protest. This is standing your ground and making yourself heard.

This, is a riot. Destructive in every way, and garners no respect, nor sympathy for the blacks that carried it out.

FireDragon76 · Feb 4, 2018

jovanovic said:
alot of blm-members, feminists and leftists say christianity is the reason we have racism.

BLM seems like a movement without a clear hierarchy, so a few voices may not reflect a real consensus.

I haven't encountered many voices saying Christianity per se causes racism. I've seen some blacks move to other churches, though, as a way to try to find a Christianity that transcends race. Like Fr. Moses Berry, for instance. Some blacks are attracted to Orthodoxy because that tradition predates European racialism. And the current presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Michael Curry, is a black man whose parents became Episcopalian because of the witness of Episcopalians against racism.

SummerMadness · Feb 4, 2018

No one is born racist, racism is taught. That's a nonsensical question. As to racism, anything you learn, you can unlearn.

As for the picture of the bloodied man, two people got into a fight at a protest and one person got punched somehow equals all black people are at fault, or are we going with the snakelike argument that it only applies to BLM despite it being a fight only involving two people. For good measure why don't we try to claim the black community is behind this new trend called the knockout game, but we're not talking about skin color, we're talking about culture.

Black Lives Matter and the KKK are not the same, so let's stop with the false equivalence of comparing a terrorist organization that has murdered thousands versus a protest movement.

SummerMadness · Feb 4, 2018

I am also loving the newfound love for the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s

Black Lives Matter and America’s long history of resisting civil rights protesters

The majority of Americans haven't embraced the activists’ message or strategies, either; fewer than a third of Americans said Black Lives Matter focuses on real issues of racial discrimination while 55 percent said the movement distracts from those issues, according to a September PBS News Hour/Marist poll. Another poll conducted that month by NBC News and Wall Street Journal found that 32 percent of Americans had mostly positive views of the movement; 29 percent had mostly negative views and 39 percent were neutral.

Such tepid acceptance of black activism isn't surprising. This country has a history of disapproving of civil rights protests and demonstrations. And perhaps nothing better demonstrates that dynamic than the movement of the 1960s.

In 1961, mobs in Southern cities attacked Freedom Riders, the activists testing the federal ban on bus segregation. Most Americans weren’t on the activists’ side; 61 percent said they disapproved “of what the ‘Freedom Riders’ are doing,” according to a 1961 Gallup Poll.

That same poll found that 57 percent of Americans felt the “Freedom buses,” sit-ins at lunch counters and “other demonstrations” by African Americans would hurt their chances of being integrated in the South. Just 28 percent of Americans said these actions would help.

At the end of the day, it is all a smokescreen to ignore the increased activity, violence and murders committed by white supremacist organizations who somehow believe they can increase their pool by dropping flyers on college campuses.

FireDragon76 · Feb 4, 2018

expos4ever said:
Surely you can understand that this is not very convincing - we need some hard data, not personal impressions. If you could quote a survey that showed, for example, that 50% of Muslims want to see Sharia Law incorporated into the Law of the Land, you would have something.

Here in the US, Muslim-Americans are more likely to accept full legal equality for gay people than conservative Evangelicals. In fact, it's a ratio of about 2 to 1.

FireDragon76 · Feb 4, 2018

SummerMadness said:
I am also loving the newfound love for the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s

Black Lives Matter and America’s long history of resisting civil rights protesters

At the end of the day, it is all a smokescreen to ignore the increased activity, violence and murders committed by white supremacist organizations who somehow believe they can increase their pool by dropping flyers on college campuses.

It's easy to forget that at one time King was controversial and accused of being too confrontational, as well as creating chaos through his demonstrations. He was criticized to various degrees by most white authorities in society during his time.

It seems to me the issue in the media with BLM is dishonest framing. Some media are choosing to frame BLM in a largely negative way. That's hardly living up to the commandment's of God concerning bearing false witness as my tradition understands it, that we should not merely avoid lying, but we should also seek to understand other peoples speech and actions in the best possible light (this is nothing new and goes all the way back to Luther).

At one time in this country we had greater journalistic ideals than simply looking for a juicy spin to gain shock value, attention, and ad viewership, but in this era of alternative facts, that doesn't bother some people. Regaining the sense of truth requires scrupulous honesty.

LostMarbels · Feb 4, 2018

SummerMadness said:
No one is born racist, racism is taught. That's a nonsensical question. As to racism, anything you learn, you can unlearn.

What we need is common decency and respect.

Whites have the same enemies whether you realise it or not, but we have no voice. We cannot expose police brutality because of political correctness and white privilege. Police brutality is a very real epidemic in America, and it is no where near just a black problem. It's a 'I have a gun and badge so you will submit' problem.

SummerMadness said:
As for the picture of the bloodied man, two people got into a fight at a protest and one person got punched somehow equals all black people are at fault, or are we going with the snakelike argument that it only applies to BLM despite it being a fight only involving two people.

No... no it doesn't equate ALL blacks are at fault. It equals the racists that beat the man are at fault.

SummerMadness said:
For good measure why don't we try to claim the black community is behind this new trend called the knockout game, but we're not talking about skin color, we're talking about culture.

This is my point. It has become black culture for random acts of senseless violence to be normalised where as if any other race commits the same acts they would be put under the jail. It is 'culture' for some people to molest 9 year old girls and marry them. Why do we have to condone it just because it is 'culture'?

So is it ok? Do you condone blacks randomly knocking people out for no reason? Well it's 'culture' right?

I want you to tell me there is no mainstream anti white sentiment in current day sociology. Make that statement with a straight face.

Please tell me there is not an entire culture out their where blacks do not want to beat and kill whites just because they are white.

SummerMadness said:
Black Lives Matter and the KKK are not the same, so let's stop with the false equivalence of comparing a terrorist organization that has murdered thousands versus a protest movement.

I will ask again, what is the difference in that or the KKK calling for the release of whites that beat black civil activists in the 1950's? What's the difference?

Should clan members go free because they killed a black?

Should BLM members go free because they killed a white?

Should the BLM beat white activists?

Should KKK beat black activists?

Please draw the line for me how one of these groups aren't racist.

LostMarbels · Feb 4, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
Here in the US, Muslim-Americans are more likely to accept full legal equality for gay people than conservative Evangelicals. In fact, it's a ratio of about 2 to 1.

If the Islamists get in america, those Muslim-Americans will be thrown from the same rooftop as the gays. Or do you not know these Islamists are killing muslims, on muslim land? You actualy think muslim, and radical Islamic jihadist are the same? That is the whole problem with people not differentiating the good with evil.

SummerMadness · Feb 4, 2018

LostMarbels said:
What we need is common decency and respect.

Whites have the same enemies whether you realise it or not, but we have no voice. We cannot expose police brutality because of political correctness and white privilege. Police brutality is a very real epidemic in America, and it is no where near just a black problem. It's a 'I have a gun and badge so you will submit' problem.

Why are you changing the subject to police brutality? The topic is white supremacists on college campuses.

LostMarbels said:
No... no it doesn't equate ALL blacks are at fault. It equals the racists that beat the man are at fault.

Two people got into a fight, if your adjective is even accurate, it is singular.

LostMarbels said:
This is my point. It has become black culture for random acts of senseless violence to be normalised where as if any other race commits the same acts they would be put under the jail. It is 'culture' for some people to molest 9 year old girls and marry them. Why do we have to condone it just because it is 'culture'? So is it ok? Do you condone black randomly knocking people out for no reason? Well it's 'culture' right?

It is not okay to randomly knock people out, it is also not okay to advance a racist narrative about a trend or "cultural" display of black kids knocking people out. The knockout game hype was not a real phenomena, unlike the recorded increase in hate crimes over the past year directed Jews, Muslims, African Americans, Hispanics and members of the LGBT community.

LostMarbels said:
I want you to tell me there is no mainstream anti white sentiment in current day sociology. Make that statement with a straight face.

I'm not a sociologist, what topics are they discussing at their conferences? What are the biggest sociology conferences every year?

LostMarbels said:
Please tell me there is not an entire culture out their where blacks do not want to beat and kill whites just because they are white.

I once had a conversation with someone about the use of coded language and how the use of coded language has become so contorted that it makes no sense (e.g., describing unconnected individuals that support pedophilia as a culture). We're now supposed to take the term culture and decouple if from the adjective applied to black people. Culture is meant to describe a group collectively, so you're still saying that black people like to beat up white people because they're white. I have never met a black person that has thought this (along many levels of income, education and generation), does that mean the characterization is false or is like a poster said earlier, they're lying to my face and hiding the real agenda?

Again, trying to elevate a civil rights movement to a terrorist organization is just not working. And it is not lost on us that there is an effort to attack the "culture" while still attributing it typical Muslims or Black people, but that doesn't apply to white supremacists and white people. How about this? Just like the white supremacists are not typical, stop falsely saying most Muslims have a hidden agenda?

Aldebaran · Feb 4, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
To my knowledge, nobody is arguing whites are born racist but it is easy to argue they are acculturated towards racist attitudes and racial resentments.

I don't see BLM as racist, necessarily. I see it as frustrated blacks . Being frustrated, angry, even violent... does not make you racist per se.

When they can't see past a person's skin color when they lash out, they are being racist. The same would be said of any white person who lashed out against black people due to what they see black people doing and are frustrated or angry or violent as a result. It would be a hate crime if they assaulted a black person, or killed them. If a black person does the same thing, how is that not racist? Seems to be a double standard, and this discussion won't get anywhere unless that can be recognized.

jovanovic · Feb 4, 2018

LostMarbels said:
I agree with sympathy. I do not agree about employing the same bigotry and hate you claim to be fighting.

This, THIS is a protest. This is standing your ground and making yourself heard.

This, is a riot. Destructive in every way, and garners no respect, nor sympathy for the blacks that carried it out.

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The protests are more violent nowdays because the oppression have been going on for a very long time so people are getting desperate. Protesting in a nice way have not been working. If you are very oppressed you have to do something. If the oppression of arab/black people do not end in USA it might turn into a civil-war.

jovanovic · Feb 4, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
BLM seems like a movement without a clear hierarchy, so a few voices may not reflect a real consensus.

I haven't encountered many voices saying Christianity per se causes racism. I've seen some blacks move to other churches, though, as a way to try to find a Christianity that transcends race. Like Fr. Moses Berry, for instance. Some blacks are attracted to Orthodoxy because that tradition predates European racialism. And the current presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, Michael Curry, is a black man whose parents became Episcopalian because of the witness of Episcopalians against racism.

how many have you encountered saying that christianity per se causes racism? 10 % of all leftists?

FireDragon76 · Feb 4, 2018

jovanovic said:
how many have you encountered saying that christianity per se causes racism? 10 % of all leftists?

I can't recall any making that connection.

Aldebaran · Feb 4, 2018

SummerMadness said:
I am also loving the newfound love for the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s

Black Lives Matter and America’s long history of resisting civil rights protesters

At the end of the day, it is all a smokescreen to ignore the increased activity, violence and murders committed by white supremacist organizations who somehow believe they can increase their pool by dropping flyers on college campuses.

Why didn't you mention any of the violence done by BLM?

jovanovic · Feb 4, 2018

LostMarbels said:
If the Islamists get in america, those Muslim-Americans will be thrown from the same rooftop as the gays. Or do you not know these Islamists are killing muslims, on muslim land? You actualy think muslim, and radical Islamic jihadist are the same? That is the whole problem with people not differentiating the good with evil.

There is 300 000 millions people in USA. Islamists can not take over such a big nation. You are deluded. USA is not Pakistan. What you should be worried about is conservative christians and white far-right wingers, America is full of them. But instead you are worried about a fantasy you have that one day 100 000 million islamists from pakistan will swim over to USA and kill everyone.....dude come on.

jovanovic · Feb 4, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
I can't recall any making that connection.

Try to talk about it with 20+ leftists and you shall se. Be specific, ask if they think that christianity is a racist religion that hates black people. Ask just the way i expressed it. I am very sure atleast 10 of them will say "yes". Thats my own personal experiance with the left.

Rion · Feb 4, 2018

FireDragon76 said:
It's easy to forget that at one time King was controversial and accused of being too confrontational, as well as creating chaos through his demonstrations. He was criticized to various degrees by most white authorities in society during his time.

It seems to me the issue in the media with BLM is dishonest framing. Some media are choosing to frame BLM in a largely negative way. That's hardly living up to the commandment's of God concerning bearing false witness as my tradition understands it, that we should not merely avoid lying, but we should also seek to understand other peoples speech and actions in the best possible light (this is nothing new and goes all the way back to Luther).

At one time in this country we had greater journalistic ideals than simply looking for a juicy spin to gain shock value, attention, and ad viewership, but in this era of alternative facts, that doesn't bother some people. Regaining the sense of truth requires scrupulous honesty.

To compare MLK to BLM is to degrade MLK. They are more along the lines of Malcolm X before he renounced violence. BLM draping themselves in King's legacy is like the Klan using Christianity as a shield. Both are macabre imitations of the legacy that they use.

LostMarbels · Feb 4, 2018

SummerMadness said:
Why are you changing the subject to police brutality? The topic is white supremacists on college campuses.

Well first off there is a lot more we have in common than separates us, thats why. I care about what is going on with fellow human beings, fellow Americans. I could not tell you how little I care for race... who cares. I do not like seeing people sworn to protect us killing and beating people. And I am more concerned with getting on a level with you as a grown man and human being then I am this debate. Common decency and respect. We need to find common ground so we can keep them from beating us. As in us, all of us. We need to stop fighting each other and fight the problems we face.

Everything else in your post is smoke and mirrors.

How would you feel if the entire nation, from elementary schools to college, mainstream news, and multimedia platforms all taught that blacks are the scourge of the earth. And even handed out degrees for learning how despicable blacks are. Everywhere you go when you met a white person they call you black boy, or refer to you as a black boy, but you absolutely must refer to them as a white man or your racist and will probably get beat on the spot. They can call you whatever term they so please. You should be ashamed of yourself for being born black. Better check your black privilege if you even think you can question a white man. Everyday you are reminded that blacks owned tens of thousands of white slaves, mainly Irish and English, that were kept in horrible conditions, and almost 1/4 of them died on slave ships before even getting to America. The rest of them worked if fields for black slavers, and many white slaves were literally worked or beat to death. Don't even try to equate white slavers to your black privileged self. Better check yourself and your black moral license.

Things getting a little racist? Think that might get a little oppressive? Think maybe someone might want it to stop?

SummerMadness · Feb 4, 2018

LostMarbels said:
Well first off there is a lot more we have in common than separates us, thats why. I care about what is going on with fellow human beings, fellow Americans. I could not tell you how little I care for race... who cares. I do not like seeing people sworn to protect us killing and beating people. And I am more concerned with getting on a level with you as a grown man and human being then I am this debate. Common decency and respect. We need to find common ground so we can keep them from beating us. As in us, all of us. We need to stop fighting each other and fight the problems we face.

Everything else in your post is smoke and mirrors.

How would you feel if the entire nation, from elementary schools to college, mainstream news, and multimedia platforms all taught that blacks are the scourge of the earth. And even handed out degrees for learning how despicable blacks are. Everywhere you go when you met a white person they call you black boy, or refer to you as a black boy, but you absolutely must refer to them as a white man or your racist and will probably get beat on the spot. They can call you whatever term they so please. You should be ashamed of yourself for being born black. Better check your black privilege if you even think you can question a white man. Everyday you are reminded that blacks owned tens of thousands of white slaves, mainly Irish and English, that were kept in horrible conditions, and almost 1/4 of them died on slave ships before even getting to America. The rest of them worked if fields for black slavers, and many white slaves were literally worked or beat to death. Don't even try to equate white slavers to your black privileged self. Better check yourself and your black moral license.

Things getting a little racist? Think that might get a little oppressive? Think maybe someone might want it to stop?

Oppression like slavery? Or segregation? Or how about bombing my town and not getting compensated? How about getting murdered for being the wrong skin color? How about being routinely brutalized by the police, which still occurs to this current day? How about not being given equal access to loans despite the same credit worthiness? How about realtors not showing you all the available properties in a town? We're talking oppression, right?

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