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Yet they were still exemplars of Anglo-Protestant culture, which is perhaps more important.Actually, Deists weren't all that close to protestants or any form of Christianity. While they may have shared some mutual rejection of certain Catholic dogmas, that's where many of the similarities ended.
Hardly vague, the Deist God was rationally defined and directly descended from Aristotle's unmoved mover.In the 17th and 18th century, Deism (in practice) was the acknowledging of a vague, non-descript, creator who made the universe but doesn’t intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe. Deists rejected revealed religion (like the Bible, miracles, the divinity of Jesus, and church dogma)
And it's also worth pointing out, that many atheists of the day would simply label themselves as deists because it was tremendously unpopular for one to identify as an atheist (in fact, they were considered "dangerous"), so Deist, in the founders time, ended up being sort of a "catch all" for people who didn't identify with (or rejected) organized religion, and it was far more "socially safe" to go that route.
They were meant to highlight the difference between "Women being omitted because they actually didn't have any part in it" vs. "Women being omitted due to social constructs dictating that the men are the 'leaders' and deserve to get the glory"
The Ford example is the former, the NASA Apollo example is the latter.
So only ‘free’ the slaves once they convert to Christianity?Now that the majority of blacks are Christians it seems fitting to undo the generations of oppression and exclusion from wealth
"Poe" here is a verb
Perhaps this was an unfortunate C&P.
If the current crop of WMPs are not to blame for anything their ancestors did, then they equally are not to be praised. If my great-grandfather stole your great-grandfather's house, that's bad, probably, but that doesn't mean that my inheritance of that house should be questioned. <- How I read the argument.
Helpful and informative post. How can these demons of racial and sexist oppression be exorcised today?That's an ugly but there.
It did at first, but then came Jim Crow and race riots that wiped out much of the black gains. Black people and women were deliberately excluded from much of society's benefits. They worked but were delegated to mostly low paying jobs. For much of this country's history, teaching and nursing were the only professions open to women - and they often were fired for being pregnant as that was considered indecent in public.
That and being allowed to have intact families, being able to keep their own children was a big benefit even if that meant extra costs. Being able to choose for themselves where to live, what to do, who to have children with are big benefits. Getting an education, reading and writing became legal with the end of slavery. No longer being subject to beatings and forced labor are big benefits.
Jim Crow and enforced pay differentials were ways of enforcing that delicious feeling of superiority. Women being allowed to control their own property even if married, being able to sign contracts and have bank accounts diminished that feeling of superiority - then came equal pay.
Even today, black refugees had their protection revoked while white Boer "refugees" were brought in because a certain president decided that the latter fit in better.
While it's understandable that some may draw comparisons between Deism and atheism, such an association may overlook important distinctions. Many of the Deist Founding Fathers, including George Washington, regularly attended church services, and Washington himself even served as a churchwarden. The Deism of that era was often expressed using the philosophical language of the time—such as Aristotle’s concept of the "unmoved mover"—which conveyed a noninterventionist view of the divine. For many, adopting this intellectual tone lent their beliefs a sense of credibility and depth in Enlightenment circles.Actually, Deists weren't all that close to protestants or any form of Christianity. While they may have shared some mutual rejection of certain Catholic dogmas, that's where many of the similarities ended.
In the 17th and 18th century, Deism (in practice) was the acknowledging of a vague, non-descript, creator who made the universe but doesn’t intervene in human affairs or suspend the natural laws of the universe. Deists rejected revealed religion (like the Bible, miracles, the divinity of Jesus, and church dogma)
And it's also worth pointing out, that many atheists of the day would simply label themselves as deists because it was tremendously unpopular for one to identify as an atheist (in fact, they were considered "dangerous"), so Deist, in the founders time, ended up being sort of a "catch all" for people who didn't identify with (or rejected) organized religion, and it was far more "socially safe" to go that route.
They were meant to highlight the difference between "Women being omitted because they actually didn't have any part in it" vs. "Women being omitted due to social constructs dictating that the men are the 'leaders' and deserve to get the glory"
The Ford example is the former, the NASA Apollo example is the latter.
How can a person become free if they do not know true freedom?So only ‘free’ the slaves once they convert to Christianity?
That’s horrendous.
Probably part of Project 2029: Third Time's The Charm.Don't think that MAGA Christians have never considered the possibility..
It is a genuine set of questions. The portrayal of American history in these simplistic and racist terms is something that probably should be disputed.
That will always be the dream, but what do you do about it in the meantime?The controversy here is of course the extent to which a helping hand is provided, what form that takes, and who pays for it. I favor improvements in education, apprenticeship schemes, and the removal of barriers to progress with legal changes if necessary. If you can equalize the starting point then after that it is about merit, application and hard work.
It's human nature. But human nature (as one of my favorite theologians, Rose Sayer, put it) "is what we were put in this world to rise above." It's not an excuse.As an American, I acknowledge our history of systemic racism and discrimination. However, Europe also has a similar past spanning thousands of years. During my travels to the Middle East and Southeast Asia, I've observed discrimination and racism. Instead of focusing solely on America or Europe, we should discuss why racism and discrimination exist worldwide, regardless of cultural background or region.
It's human nature. But human nature (as one of my favorite theologians, Rose Sayer, put it) "is what we were put in this world to rise above." It's not an excuse.
Sure they do, But then, do they boast that they are better than the rest of the world at advancing freedom?As stated in my previous post, American history does have systemic racism and discrimination; however, this issue is not unique to America. Every country in the world has instances of these problems. For example, Great Britain has a history spanning over 500 years where Protestants and Catholics fought against each other. In Germany, discrimination led to the deaths of over six million Jews during the Holocaust, culminating in a war that resulted in approximately 50 million casualties.
Nevertheless, some people around the world tend to focus solely on discrimination in America. This thread is a case of "the pot calling the kettle black".
You can't be saying that--that's the kind of conclusions CRT comes to.I am neither defending racism nor discrimination, nor am I attempting to justify racism in America. My point is that racism and discrimination towards other races, cultures, and religions exist in every society and every region in the world.
Sure they do, But then, do they boast that they are better than the rest of the world at advancing freedom?
Only to a segment of the American people, it appears.Every country, religion, and society believes they are superior. The difference with Americans is that we are better at marketing our perceived superiority.
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