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It wouldn't seem so to a person who thinks she can define "child" for herself and wants the decision to abort made by herself and her medical and spiritual advisors rather than a magistrate. This is particularly critical to her if she is suffering from a failed pregnancy and has to wait for a medically untrained judge to decide if the fetus is viable or not, of if she has suffered a miscarriage and now faces a police examination. Since the pro-lifers can only offer her "Too bad, she shudda kepper legs closed" I have a hard time concluding that their concern for the fetus is primary.
My impression is that the American form of pro-life focuses on the act of sex which led to the pregnancy. There can be no mercy shown to women who engage in sex outside of a submissive Christian marriage. That is one of the reasons why the various abortion restrictions in Germany and elsewhere in Europe were regarded as too "woke" and criminally lax even when the were, on paper, more restrictive than in the US.
Equality of Opportunity rather than Outcome does seem more biblical. The Ford example from @ThatRobGuy just reinforced my point and the NASA example dates from the sixties and is a mark of the change. In that case, it was an example of successful change and seems to fit the notion of extended blessing.
Godless elites and fossilized hierarchies of privilege and poverty are both enemies of the church and society. But while you agree that social mobility is biblical you did not seem to recognize that it was not happening in modern America. @ThatRobGuys statistics showed certain protestant groups topping the charts while others did not. Episcopalians and Presbyterians might simply represent old white money while Pentecostal protestants could be new believers in the Black community who are burdened by centuries of prejudice, oppression, and exclusion from the most fruitful opportunities. So it was not enough to bandie all protestants together as he did. Also, America was not founded by academics or academic training but more by the hard labor of people who built farms and businesses. The trend to emphasize academic training could be seen as a way of institutionalizing the divide between rich and poor, white and black as only rich white people can afford university courses. Yes that is an oversimplification but it illustrates the essential problem.
At the time of the revolution, both Britain and the Thirteen Colonies were mainly agrarian societies. I guess you could phrase the clash of the Civil War in terms of these models though with the South as the agrarian society.
"Poe" here is a verbI thought you were just trying to Poe Hillsdale college.
Perhaps this was an unfortunate C&P.
That's an ugly but there.
It did at first, but then came Jim Crow and race riots that wiped out much of the black gains. Black people and women were deliberately excluded from much of society's benefits. They worked but were delegated to mostly low paying jobs. For much of this country's history, teaching and nursing were the only professions open to women - and they often were fired for being pregnant as that was considered indecent in public.
That and being allowed to have intact families, being able to keep their own children was a big benefit even if that meant extra costs. Being able to choose for themselves where to live, what to do, who to have children with are big benefits. Getting an education, reading and writing became legal with the end of slavery. No longer being subject to beatings and forced labor are big benefits.
Jim Crow and enforced pay differentials were ways of enforcing that delicious feeling of superiority. Women being allowed to control their own property even if married, being able to sign contracts and have bank accounts diminished that feeling of superiority - then came equal pay.
Even today, black refugees had their protection revoked while white Boer "refugees" were brought in because a certain president decided that the latter fit in better.
Actually, Deists weren't all that close to protestants or any form of Christianity. While they may have shared some mutual rejection of certain Catholic dogmas, that's where many of the similarities ended.
