Which is sound doctrine and which isnt

[bro josh]

PREMILLENNIALISM TEACHES SECOND COMING OF CHRIST TO THE EARTH AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HIS KINGDOM FOR 1000 YEAR REIGN REVELATIONS 20:1-7

AMILLENNIALISM TEACHES NO LITERAL KINGDOM. SPIRITUAL FORM OF KINGDOM IS NOW.

POSTMILLENNIALISM TEACHES CHRISTS KINGDOM IS BEING EXTENDED THROUGH THE WORLD BY PREACHING OF GOSPEL NOW MAJORIY OF PEOPLE WILL BE SAVED, RESULTING IN CHRISTIANZATION OF THE CURRENTS SOCIETY

WHICH SOUND DOCTRINE

TO ME IT IS PREMILLENNIALISM
ITS TRUE AND BACK UP BY WORD OF GOD AND NONE OF THESE OTHER ARE EXCEPT U TAKE GODS WORD OUT OF CONTENT

CHRIST WILL RULE AND REIGN FROM JERSULAEM AND SIT ON KING DAVID THRONE AND WE WILL BE KING OVER THE EARTH...........LITERALLY

 

[bro josh]

Well I Guess Nobody As Belief On This Subject Or Just Dont Think Its Important..........got Be Founded On One Of These Or U Will Fall For Anything Just Want To Hear Bout What U Guys Think Bout Millenium Subject.......feedback Would Be Great And Defend What U Believe And Give Scriptural Back Up Without Talkin The Word Out Of Context

 

[Son of Israel]

PREMILLENNIALISM TEACHES SECOND COMING OF CHRIST TO THE EARTH AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF HIS KINGDOM FOR 1000 YEAR REIGN REVELATIONS 20:1-7

AMILLENNIALISM TEACHES NO LITERAL KINGDOM. SPIRITUAL FORM OF KINGDOM IS NOW.

POSTMILLENNIALISM TEACHES CHRISTS KINGDOM IS BEING EXTENDED THROUGH THE WORLD BY PREACHING OF GOSPEL NOW MAJORIY OF PEOPLE WILL BE SAVED, RESULTING IN CHRISTIANZATION OF THE CURRENTS SOCIETY

WHICH SOUND DOCTRINE

TO ME IT IS PREMILLENNIALISM
ITS TRUE AND BACK UP BY WORD OF GOD AND NONE OF THESE OTHER ARE EXCEPT U TAKE GODS WORD OUT OF CONTENT

CHRIST WILL RULE AND REIGN FROM JERSULAEM AND SIT ON KING DAVID THRONE AND WE WILL BE KING OVER THE EARTH...........LITERALLY

This is the "literal" Jerusalem that I am born out of;

(Gal 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Not the old physical jerusalem;

(Gal 4:24) Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
(Gal 4:25) For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.


This is the Kingdom I am of;


(Luk 17:20) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
(Luk 17:21)Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

NOT the physical one the blind Pharisees thought was to happen.

Their is no Kingdom for physical jerusalem;

(Gal 4:25) For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

(Gal 4:30) Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.


Can't be too much clearer than that can it? No promise to physical jerusalem. No inheritance to physical jerusalem. THEY AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE CAST OUT! So are those who share that ideology.

Beware of being part of that crowd's ideology and false doctrines!;

(Rev 18:4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
(Rev 18:5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
(Rev 18:6) Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
(Rev 18:7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

The self-widowed Jews and the ignorant think the Kingdom is of this world. They are plagued in this and are pleaded with by God to come out of "HER".

Jesus says His Kingdom isn't of this world;

(Joh 18:36) Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Black and white.

(or was He just kidding?)

I believe Jesus and the scriptures. Not the OP's ideas.

 

[bro josh]

So If You Are From Israel.........you Know Bout Covenant Promises.......how Christ Will Be Literal King In Jerusalem........abraham, Issac , And Jacob And Down Through History......how He Will Reign On This Earth From Jersualem For 1000 Years.....so Ur Gonn A Talk All Of The Unfulfilled Promises To Nation Of Israel Throw Them Down The Drain.........how Explain Revelations 20....literal Reign Of Christ After Battle When Christ Destroys Antichrist And His Armies..........or Do U Believe They Will Antichrist A Literal Man.........in Matthew How Christ Will Inherit The Throne Of David That He Hasnt Possesed Yet But He Will

 

[Big Drew]

I lean towards Historic Premillennialism...definitely not pretrib.

 

[bro josh]

explain to us why dont u believe in pretrib

 

[CryptoLutheran]

I lean closest to amillennialism. Though I think historic premillennialism is a valid position given it's advocacy by many Fathers of the Church.

I don't generally see much need to complicate eschatology by interjecting an earthly millennial kingdom between the Parousia and the restoration of all things.

Dispensational premillennialism, however, I regard as contrived 19th century nonsense.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Son of Israel]

So If You Are From Israel.........you Know Bout Covenant Promises.......how Christ Will Be Literal King In Jerusalem........abraham, Issac , And Jacob And Down Through History......how He Will Reign On This Earth From Jersualem For 1000 Years.....so Ur Gonn A Talk All Of The Unfulfilled Promises To Nation Of Israel Throw Them Down The Drain.........how Explain Revelations 20....literal Reign Of Christ After Battle When Christ Destroys Antichrist And His Armies..........or Do U Believe They Will Antichrist A Literal Man.........in Matthew How Christ Will Inherit The Throne Of David That He Hasnt Possesed Yet But He Will

Yes, I know about the Covenant Promises. Didn’t you know they were fulfilled in Christ and in the saints now in the New Covenant??

~So If You Are From Israel.........you Know Bout Covenant Promises.......

how Christ Will Be Literal King In Jerusalem........~

“Will be”? He's not your King now??

All promised by the law and the prophets to Abraham, to Isaac and Israel in the O.T. are fulfilled in the New Covenant in Christ’s blood. (2000 years ago)

(Luk 24:44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

(Act 3:18) But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

This is the hope of Israel, fulfilled in Christ, our Messiah. Now.

(Rom 13:11) And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

To Day;

(Heb 4:7) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

He IS the literal King in Jerusalem;

(Mat 5:35) Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

He came as King AS PROMISED;

(Mat 21:5) Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.

(Mat 27:42) He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

People still thinks he has to “come down” to be King, how sad.



~abraham, Issac , And Jacob And Down Through History......~

Jesus is the “Seed of Abraham”, the fulfillment of all the Abrahamic Everlasting Covenant;

(Gal 3:16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

In Christ is the Abrahamic Covenant fulfilled;

Read Romans Chap 4, or Gal chap 4, or any other New Testament passages about our salvation in the Abrahamic Covenant by which we can now cry “ABBA FATHER”

~how He Will Reign On This Earth From Jersualem For 1000 Years.....~

He is on His throne now reigning, which is in the HEAVENLY JERUSALEM. (not the corrupted whorish Jerusalem in the middle east);

(Mat 5:34) But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

(Act 2:30) Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

(Act 7:49) Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

(Heb 1:8) But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

I stand boldly before His Throne in His Presence;

(Heb 4:16) Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

(1Th 2:19) for what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? are not even ye before our Lord Jesus Christ in his presence?

(Rev 3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

~so Ur Gonn A Talk All Of The Unfulfilled Promises To Nation Of Israel Throw Them Down The Drain........

Don’t be silly. I would be throwing them “down the drain” if I were to say they AREN’T fulfilled.
They are quite obviously fulfilled to us according to Jesus and His saints writings in scripture. But of course the Pharisee synagogue of satan was blind to that.




~how Explain Revelations 20....literal Reign Of Christ After Battle When Christ Destroys Antichrist And His Armies.........

Is Christ not reigning now? Are you not in Christ’s army now, overcoming by His blood?

(2Ti 2:3) Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

It is a spiritual war that has been going on for 2000 years now;

(2Ti 2:4) No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

We use spiritual weapons and armor which make us COMPLETE;

(Eph 6:12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
(Eph 6:13) Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
(Eph 6:14) Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
(Eph 6:15) And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
(Eph 6:16) Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
(Eph 6:17) And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
(Eph 6:18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

 

[Son of Israel]

(continued)

This is the army I belong to, along with the rest of the saints that have been warring against sin and evil all these "thousand" years;

(Rev 19:14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

We war from Heaven where we dwell now in Christ;

(Eph 2:6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

~or Do U Believe They Will Antichrist A Literal Man....~

(I have no idea what you tried to say there)

~in Matthew How Christ Will Inherit The Throne Of David That He Hasnt Possesed Yet But He Will~

Yes, He did after that of course. See the scriptures I provided. Look up more if you like

Here is the only Jerusalem for Christian Israel;

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mountSion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant…

This is the Jerusalem Wife of Christ reigning with Him on His throne;

(Gal 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
(Gal 4:28) Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

(Rev 21:2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

(Rev 12:1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

But following, here we see the Jerusalem widow harlot who has NO INHERITANCE;

(Gal 4:24) Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.
(Gal 4:25) For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The old physical city is nothing but a curse in bondage and will forever remain so.

The false teachers of that old Jerusalem in bondage persecute the true Israel Bride of Christ Christians with false doctrine propaganda;

(Gal 4:29) But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
(Gal 4:30) Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

No heritage there. Is this clear or what

they persecute Christians with false doctrines pouring out of their mouths as a flood pouring out;

(Rev 12:15) And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
(Rev 12:17) And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here’s what I used to think of myself as do all my Jewish family of the flesh;

(Rev 18:7) How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

We widowed ourselves in crucifying our Husband/King.

When I was lost, I too looked past everything that Jesus accomplished in fulfilling all to Israel and Jerusalem. Why? Because we were taught that Jesus wasn’t the Messiah and that He didn’t fulfill the promises to Israel.

I have an excuse.

But what excuse does a Christian have for disowning Himself from the Abrahamic Covenants of Promise and rejecting the Messiah of Israel??

He came to fulfill those promises and He did;

(Luk 1:54) He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;

I have married Him in the New Marriage Covenant Promised to Israel.

(Rom 7:4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The word which was sent to Israel fulfilled;

(Act 10:36) The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

To state that everything is future and to be on this physical “planet” in physical jerusalem someday is false doctrine. Please read and pray!

If a Jew like me was delievered from the false doctrines, so can anyone be.

 

[Big Drew]

explain to us why dont u believe in pretrib

Because the only way to come to that conclusion is by doing scripture gymnastics and disregarding context.

 

[E.C.]

Look, the Church is the New Israel. How can those who reject Him and His divinity be a part of the New Israel?

 

[papaJP]

Because the only way to come to that conclusion is by doing scripture gymnastics and disregarding context.

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I disagree and I think you have used the scripture gymnastics and disregarding the context to get to your position.