Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?

[Cliff2]

So therefore, even if I am wrong, God is going to judge my heart and then judge me by the works of that heart condition .... So If I have accepted Christ as my Saviour and I have been baptized by The Water, The Blood and the Spirit then I have properly confessed my heart and all the things that I know in my heart to be wrong and not to God's Glory then this is what I shall be judged by ..... I believe in heart that I uphold the Sabbath in observing it on the Lord's Day because the Lord is God and therefore whether it be Saturday or Sunday makes no real difference as long as I set aside a Day of thanksgiving unto the Lord for His Work for me and for His Sacrifice for me on the Cross .... Therefore I am observing the Decree set by God .....

The Bible gives us a clue as what how Jesus will judge us when He comes back.

It is going to be how we treated our fellow human beings.

Some will ask but we did this or that, preached in your name.

The answer Jesus gives them is just as you did not do it to them you did not do it to me.

The Bible does not even say, what day of the week did you keep.

So why is it important today for us to keep the 7th day holy?

In all things Jesus is our example.

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's day.

Jesus after His resurrection gave no comand to keep Sunday holy. The Apostles never gave a command to keep Sunday holy.

If a person was to read the Bible and the Bible alone they would never find a comand to keep Sunday as the Sabbath.

 

[PaleHorse]

Well either way really. Pm me if ya like, though it appears that some have already started it here.

To me it is about the same issue. Hebrews 4 either is or is not talking about the weekly Sabbath. And that is in fact the topic.

By the way, I wasn't suggesting that we not let any other discussion go on too. We can deal with it all. I just think that if folks are going to comment on Hebrews 4 they should at least spell out their whole view. It is far too easy to find fault with other's but harder to make a compelling case for your own.

Okay, well then I'll be very brief on the Hebrews 4 info:
In a nutshell, Paul was bringing together 3 themes of "rest". I've done an in-depth study on this subject and you can read the whole thing here <click> But I can sum up the Sabbath portion by using one word found in one verse:
Hebrews 4:9 - There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. (KJV)

Let's see how some other translations render it:
WYC Therefore the sabbath is left to the people of God.
BBE So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.
ASV There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God.
DBY There remains then a sabbatism to the people of God.
ESV So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
NJB There must still be, therefore, a seventh-day rest reserved for God's people,
NRS So then, a sabbath rest still remains for the people of God;
NIRV So there is still a Sabbath rest for God's people.
NIVUK There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
NIV There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
HCSB A Sabbath rest remains, therefore, for God's people.
NET Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.
MRD Therefore it is established, that the people of God are to have a sabbath.

The word rendered 'rest' in this verse is unique - it comes from sabbatismos. The rest of the words for 'rest' in Hebrews is katapausis nor is it the word Christ used when describing His rest (anapauo). Paul had a very good reason for suddenly using this word in Heb 4:9 - for sabbatismos is a technical word for "seventh-day sabbath keeping"; it has no other meaning.

The Strong's Lexicon, for some strange reason, gives two definitions for sabbatismos even though the word is only found once in the entire Bible. If you read it (Strong's #4520) you will see that the first definition is correct but the second one is actually an erred interpretation. I strongly urge those who doubt this to check out my full study by following the above link.

In a nutshell, along with explaining the other 2 types of 'rest' to the Jews in this epistle, Paul is also making it abundantly clear that there is also the seventh-day Sabbath to be observed by all Christians.

 

[Sophia7]

This is what I believe about Hebrews 4. I agree with many of your points, PaleHorse, and I agree with your conclusion that the word sabbatismos refers to the seventh-day Sabbath. However, I think there is more to it than that. Here is Hebrews 4:9-11:

Hebrews 4:9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from his. 11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience.

The bigger picture of Hebrews 4 is that the literal seventh-day Sabbath rest foreshadows our eternal rest. Why else would the Sabbath-rest (v. 9) be equated with God's rest (v. 10)? From the context of the rest of the chapter and the preceding chapter, God's rest clearly refers to the eternal rest that God entered after creation and that we enter by faith. For Christians, experiencing the joy of the Sabbath rest (as God intended it) gives us a taste of God's eternal rest, which we enter now by faith and which we will experience fully in heaven.

The writer of Hebrews was not trying to prove which day was the Sabbath because his readers already knew; he was not trying to leave a proof text for us to use to convince people that the New Testament explicitly commands us to continue to keep the seventh-day Sabbath. He was reminding the Jewish Christians (who would have already been keeping the Sabbath and wouldn't need to be convinced) to remain faithful and not to fall away from God as their forefathers had done. Thus, he was using the idea of literal Sabbath-keeping to point toward God's eternal Sabbath rest. The rest that remains for the people of God (now spiritual Israel) is most definitely the eternal rest and only incidentally the seventh-day Sabbath rest.

Debi, the people that this letter was written to were Jewish Christians (albeit Christians with some misunderstandings about Jesus). This is clear from the many references throughout the book to the truths about Jesus that they should have been famliar with already. They were not being convinced to accept Christ for the first time; they were being persuaded to move on to spiritual maturity and to grow in their faith so that they would not fall away (Hebrews 5-6).

As far as the comments that some have made about the word Today (I can't remember who mentioned it, but someone said that it means that any day can be the Sabbath), Hebrews 3:7-11 and 4:7 are quotes (actually, loose quotes) from Psalm 95:7-8. Today is not talking about a Sabbath day at all but about the possibility of entering the eternal rest. What this means in the context of Hebrews 3 and 4 is that although God at the time of Israel's rebellion in the desert told them that they would never enter His rest (and many of them died without entering Canaan), he later made it clear that the rest that Joshua eventually led the Israelites into in Canaan was not the ultimate goal and that those who remained faithful could still enter His eternal rest. Hebrews cites Psalm 95 to show that during the time of David (hundreds of years after both the rebellion and the entrance into the Promised Land), God declared that Today they could listen to His voice and still enter His rest. They had another day, another chance, even though they had messed up the first time, to choose to remain faithful to God. Today means now, while there is still time to make a decision.

Hebrews 3:12 See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13 But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14 We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15 As has just been said:

"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion."

16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.

Hebrews 3 and 4 were written to reassure those who had been doubting that they still had the hope of eternal rest in God and also that they should "encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today."

Hebrews 4 tells us to labor to enter into that rest. Labor to enter the rest of heaven? Work our way there? Surely people aren't trying to say that we must labor to enter into heaven. NO way.

Laboring to enter the Sabbath means preparing in advance by getting your meals prepared, taking a job that allows you Saturdays off, making sure you get gas the day before, buying your groceries in advance, etc. It can be a lot of work, but that's why Friday is called "Preparation Day" in the Bible.

T&O, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on Hebrews 4:11. I don't believe that this is talking about preparing for the Sabbath at all. It says, "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." The whole chapter (as well as the last part of chapter 3) has been talking about being careful not to miss out on God's eternal rest by falling away as the Israelites did before they entered Canaan. Laboring to enter God's rest does not mean doing a bunch of work on Friday, nor, as you mentioned, does it mean working our way to heaven. What it means, based on the larger context, is that the effort that we need to make is to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus so that we do not turn away from Him and follow the Israelites' example of disobedience. We need to hold on to the courage and the hope that we have in Christ:

HEB 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. 3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5 Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.

In conclusion, just as the rest in the Promised Land was a type of God's eternal rest, so is the Sabbath rest. Both are literal, but our ultimate goal is to enter God's rest, which He entered when He rested on the seventh day of creation week (4:3-5). God's rest is available to us Today if we look to Him to help us remain faithful.

Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. 2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

 

[TrustAndObey]

T&O, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on Hebrews 4:11. I don't believe that this is talking about preparing for the Sabbath at all. It says, "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." The whole chapter (as well as the last part of chapter 3) has been talking about being careful not to miss out on God's eternal rest by falling away as the Israelites did before they entered Canaan. Laboring to enter God's rest does not mean doing a bunch of work on Friday, nor, as you mentioned, does it mean working our way to heaven. What it means, based on the larger context, is that the effort that we need to make is to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus so that we do not turn away from Him and follow the Israelites' example of disobedience. We need to hold on to the courage and the hope that we have in Christ:

I was just reading through your post thinking "oh no, I have to tell Sophia that I totally disagree with her". LOL I'm glad you did it first. Now I don't feel so bad.

I do agree that part of the chapter is about Sabbath and part of it is about heaven. God resting on the seventh day is specifically mentioned:

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Remember all the bad things that happened to people for not entering into the Sabbath rest? In verse 5 God is specifically talking about the Sabbath day as "His rest".

I don't think these verses are talking about people that didn't enter into heaven because of unbelief because there are a lot of believers that aren't in heaven yet either.

Laboring to enter into His rest is an Old Testament teaching of boiling what needs to be boiled in advance, collecting twice the manna on Friday etc. We are told to prepare for it in advance, and we're also told there will be emergencies and God knows it (sheep in the ditch, etc).

I definitely have to labor to enter into the rest of the Sabbath day. I have to make sure my house is clean, groceries are bought, bills are paid, meals for pot luck are prepared, my clothes are ready for church, etc.

So yes, we disagree, but that's okay.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I shouldn't say I "totally" disagreed with you Sophia, because I didn't. I do totally disagree about the laboring to enter into the rest part though.

 

[Sophia7]

Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Remember all the bad things that happened to people for not entering into the Sabbath rest? In verse 5 God is specifically talking about the Sabbath day as "His rest".

I don't think these verses are talking about people that didn't enter into heaven because of unbelief because there are a lot of believers that aren't in heaven yet either.

I agree with what you say about those people not entering heaven but for a different reason, I think. It seems as if both the Israelites and the Hebrew Christians had the misconception that the entrance into the Promised Land was the ultimate rest of God and that it ended with Joshua. Hebrews 3 and 4 point out that the eternal rest is more than that and is still available. The people referenced in Hebrews 4 are the same people of Hebrews 3--the Israelites who rebelled against God and did not enter the Promised Land. Because of their lack of faith, some of them also missed out on the eternal rest (which they also could have entered at that time by faith--not heaven but salvation). God's eternal rest is about salvation, which will have its ultimate fulfillment in heaven but which we enter now.

Those who had the gospel preached to them but did not go in (4:6) did not forfeit their rest because they did not keep the Sabbath but because of unbelief. The specific example cited (by the reference to Psalm 95) is when they tested God in the desert at Meribah and Massah, which had nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath. I disagree that this is talking about their failure to enter the literal seventh-day Sabbath rest. This whole section of Hebrews is a warning not to fall away from faith in God, not a warning to keep the Sabbath although that is important. It is also a reminder that the entrance into the Promised Land was not the eternal rest and that people still have the opportunity to enter God's rest. I see the Sabbath-rest as mentioned in Hebrews 4 as a weekly reminder of our eternal rest.

Laboring to enter into His rest is an Old Testament teaching of boiling what needs to be boiled in advance, collecting twice the manna on Friday etc. We are told to prepare for it in advance, and we're also told there will be emergencies and God knows it (sheep in the ditch, etc).

I definitely have to labor to enter into the rest of the Sabbath day. I have to make sure my house is clean, groceries are bought, bills are paid, meals for pot luck are prepared, my clothes are ready for church, etc.

So yes, we disagree, but that's okay.

I agree that we are supposed to prepare for the Sabbath ahead of time so that we don't have to worry about doing all those things on Sabbath, but I just don't believe that's what this verse (v. 11) is talking about. I guess we will just have to continue to disagree.

 

[TrustAndObey]

I agree that we are supposed to prepare for the Sabbath ahead of time so that we don't have to worry about doing all those things on Sabbath, but I just don't believe that's what this verse (v. 11) is talking about. I guess we will just have to continue to disagree.

That doesn't mean there's any less love sister.

 

[PaleHorse]

This is what I believe about Hebrews 4. I agree with many of your points, PaleHorse, and I agree with your conclusion that the word sabbatismos refers to the seventh-day Sabbath. However, I think there is more to it than that. Here is Hebrews 4:9-11:



The bigger picture of Hebrews 4 is that the literal seventh-day Sabbath rest foreshadows our eternal rest. Why else would the Sabbath-rest (v. 9) be equated with God's rest (v. 10)? From the context of the rest of the chapter and the preceding chapter, God's rest clearly refers to the eternal rest that God entered after creation and that we enter by faith. For Christians, experiencing the joy of the Sabbath rest (as God intended it) gives us a taste of God's eternal rest, which we enter now by faith and which we will experience fully in heaven.

The writer of Hebrews was not trying to prove which day was the Sabbath because his readers already knew; he was not trying to leave a proof text for us to use to convince people that the New Testament explicitly commands us to continue to keep the seventh-day Sabbath. He was reminding the Jewish Christians (who would have already been keeping the Sabbath and wouldn't need to be convinced) to remain faithful and not to fall away from God as their forefathers had done. Thus, he was using the idea of literal Sabbath-keeping to point toward God's eternal Sabbath rest. The rest that remains for the people of God (now spiritual Israel) is most definitely the eternal rest and only incidentally the seventh-day Sabbath rest.

Debi, the people that this letter was written to were Jewish Christians (albeit Christians with some misunderstandings about Jesus). This is clear from the many references throughout the book to the truths about Jesus that they should have been famliar with already. They were not being convinced to accept Christ for the first time; they were being persuaded to move on to spiritual maturity and to grow in their faith so that they would not fall away (Hebrews 5-6).

As far as the comments that some have made about the word Today (I can't remember who mentioned it, but someone said that it means that any day can be the Sabbath), Hebrews 3:7-11 and 4:7 are quotes (actually, loose quotes) from Psalm 95:7-8. Today is not talking about a Sabbath day at all but about the possibility of entering the eternal rest. What this means in the context of Hebrews 3 and 4 is that although God at the time of Israel's rebellion in the desert told them that they would never enter His rest (and many of them died without entering Canaan), he later made it clear that the rest that Joshua eventually led the Israelites into in Canaan was not the ultimate goal and that those who remained faithful could still enter His eternal rest. Hebrews cites Psalm 95 to show that during the time of David (hundreds of years after both the rebellion and the entrance into the Promised Land), God declared that Today they could listen to His voice and still enter His rest. They had another day, another chance, even though they had messed up the first time, to choose to remain faithful to God. Today means now, while there is still time to make a decision.



Hebrews 3 and 4 were written to reassure those who had been doubting that they still had the hope of eternal rest in God and also that they should "encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today."



T&O, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on Hebrews 4:11. I don't believe that this is talking about preparing for the Sabbath at all. It says, "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following their example of disobedience." The whole chapter (as well as the last part of chapter 3) has been talking about being careful not to miss out on God's eternal rest by falling away as the Israelites did before they entered Canaan. Laboring to enter God's rest does not mean doing a bunch of work on Friday, nor, as you mentioned, does it mean working our way to heaven. What it means, based on the larger context, is that the effort that we need to make is to keep our eyes fixed on Jesus so that we do not turn away from Him and follow the Israelites' example of disobedience. We need to hold on to the courage and the hope that we have in Christ:



In conclusion, just as the rest in the Promised Land was a type of God's eternal rest, so is the Sabbath rest. Both are literal, but our ultimate goal is to enter God's rest, which He entered when He rested on the seventh day of creation week (4:3-5). God's rest is available to us Today if we look to Him to help us remain faithful.

Yes, I agree that Paul was not trying to 'prove' that the seventh-day Sabbath was still in affect (that part was a no-brainer for the Christian converts). But I focused my post to emphasize the Sabbath part since that is the topic of the thread and I was under the impression that folks weren't interested in the other aspects; as such I didn't get into them.

I wanted to show that the Sabbath is still for Christians here, today and that shouldn't be overlooked when the other themes are being looked at as well.

So, unless someone wants to dispute the meaning of the word sabbatismos then I guess the argument is now settled.

 

[SassySDA]

The Bible gives us a clue as what how Jesus will judge us when He comes back.

It is going to be how we treated our fellow human beings.

Some will ask but we did this or that, preached in your name.

The answer Jesus gives them is just as you did not do it to them you did not do it to me.

The Bible does not even say, what day of the week did you keep.

So why is it important today for us to keep the 7th day holy?

In all things Jesus is our example.

Jesus kept the 7th day Sabbath. The 7th day Sabbath is the Lord's day.

Jesus after His resurrection gave no comand to keep Sunday holy. The Apostles never gave a command to keep Sunday holy.

If a person was to read the Bible and the Bible alone they would never find a comand to keep Sunday as the Sabbath.

If I had a quarter for every time I have said, "God doesn't care what day we keep, as long as..." I'd be rich. I believed it too. UNTIL...I picked up my bible and began to study it. It matters. He wouldn't have set a specific day, He wouldn't have bothered if it didn't matter. He certainly wouldn't have made it one of his commandments, and a very SPECIFICALLY written commandment as well, with much detail. I'm going to sound just like mother here, God Bless her, but..."Do you think God talked just to hear Himself talk?" lol

Why not just give Him the day HE set? It took some sacrifice on my part, and on that of my son's, and even my married daughter's, who also became Adventist this year. It wasn't a "snap", but it wasn't that difficult either. All it took was saying, "Yes Lord, I hear you and I am going to obey", and then following through.

I've never been happier since making that decision.

God bless

 

[Cliff2]

If I had a quarter for every time I have said, "God doesn't care what day we keep, as long as..." I'd be rich. I believed it too. UNTIL...I picked up my bible and began to study it. It matters. He wouldn't have set a specific day, He wouldn't have bothered if it didn't matter. He certainly wouldn't have made it one of his commandments, and a very SPECIFICALLY written commandment as well, with much detail. I'm going to sound just like mother here, God Bless her, but..."Do you think God talked just to hear Himself talk?" lol

Why not just give Him the day HE set? It took some sacrifice on my part, and on that of my son's, and even my married daughter's, who also became Adventist this year. It wasn't a "snap", but it wasn't that difficult either. All it took was saying, "Yes Lord, I hear you and I am going to obey", and then following through.

I've never been happier since making that decision.

God bless

Praise the Lord for your testimony.

 

[Cliff2]

a very good friend of mine has a brilliant story to tell about the sabbath.

he is now retired but before hand worked for himself as a dozer operator building dams etc.

the sabbath was an issue with him as if it rained on the dam wall before it was finished the dam would more than likely leak.

he talked to the minister about it, his wife wanted to become an sda but his work was a problem to him.

all this happeend over 10 years ago.

the minister at the time told him to put the lord to the test and see what happened.

in more than ten years of building dams and many unfinished walls of a friday afternoon.

not once did it rain on the dam wall on sabbath.

he built our dam and then extended it so i know him well.

they have just got back from touring tasmania.

it is really amazing to hear what he has to say.

 

[spirit1st]

This rest is a new rest for new people.You can clearly see?in this rest we do nothing.The holy ghost does everything.I have entered this rest.The problem is?We are not LED by the holy spitit.But are yeilding to our own thinking.We are not wise ,nor are we spiritually minded.We say what we see?And we never see the full TRUTh.Only the HOLY SPIRIT canb reveal FULL TRUTH.
But we can see.What the scripture says.
1-2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2-Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
HE DOES everything.You could be slowly killed in this rest ands feel nothing ,nor lose your peace.It is very cool!The LORD tells us to SEEK to enter!
I believe every child of GOD enters this rest at death.if they suffer any.1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Because there is a real sting of death for the unsaved.BUT NOT US! As I have experianced both!
Stephen Had to enter the rest.because HE felt no stones hitting him and was calm as kelp looking up top heaven.no person on earth could be stoned and stay in one place looking up or any where else.the pain would be very bad!
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[PaleHorse]

This rest is a new rest for new people.You can clearly see?in this rest we do nothing.The holy ghost does everything.I have entered this rest.The problem is?We are not LED by the holy spitit.But are yeilding to our own thinking.We are not wise ,nor are we spiritually minded.We say what we see?And we never see the full TRUTh.Only the HOLY SPIRIT canb reveal FULL TRUTH.
But we can see.What the scripture says.
1-2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2-Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
HE DOES everything.You could be slowly killed in this rest ands feel nothing ,nor lose your peace.It is very cool!The LORD tells us to SEEK to enter!
I believe every child of GOD enters this rest at death.if they suffer any.1Co 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Because there is a real sting of death for the unsaved.BUT NOT US! As I have experianced both!
Stephen Had to enter the rest.because HE felt no stones hitting him and was calm as kelp looking up top heaven.no person on earth could be stoned and stay in one place looking up or any where else.the pain would be very bad!
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Then you are denying scripture, as such, I cannot give any weight to your words.

 

[GraceInHim]

One thing I do not understand is if Jesus kept these days and the Jews - why were not they kept after - the number 7 means perfection like the number 40 means trial - God rested on the 7th day because he perfected everything on earth - that is if you believe in young earth - which I do - since I came into Christ and really followed him - for some reason I have kept his Sabbaths - and pray everyday anyway.

 

[spirit1st]

This is very easy too answer?if we accept the living WORD!
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
DO you believe we become NEW CREATUREs and old things are passed away?
Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labor in vain.
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

YOU see?We are 1st to be reborn.Then when this takes place?We are no longer of the earth.Our home is in NEW JERUSALEM.
Our rules are those rules.They are we love and have faith and are LED BY THE HOLY GHOST!
Rom 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
you see?the sabath was made to rest our bodys.But now GOD has made a new rest for us!We are no longer living by or for the flesh.But are now NEW BORN CREATURES .BORN OF GOD!Spiritual beings.JUST LIKE OUR LORD!
serving our flesh will not please the LORd.Being led by HIS HOLY SPIRIT ,WILLI know many have little understanding of the spirit filled life?But this is the only life for GODS CHILDERN!other wise?we perish with the world.WE ALL MUST BE BORN A 2ND TIME!This is the begining of OUR LIFES IN CHRIST JESUS.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

 

[Sophia7]

Yes, I agree that Paul was not trying to 'prove' that the seventh-day Sabbath was still in affect (that part was a no-brainer for the Christian converts). But I focused my post to emphasize the Sabbath part since that is the topic of the thread and I was under the impression that folks weren't interested in the other aspects; as such I didn't get into them.

I wanted to show that the Sabbath is still for Christians here, today and that shouldn't be overlooked when the other themes are being looked at as well.

So, unless someone wants to dispute the meaning of the word sabbatismos then I guess the argument is now settled.

I understand. I just wanted to clarify some of those other aspects because they relate to some of the points that have been brought up in this thread.

 

[Sophia7]

One thing I do not understand is if Jesus kept these days and the Jews - why were not they kept after - the number 7 means perfection like the number 40 means trial - God rested on the 7th day because he perfected everything on earth - that is if you believe in young earth - which I do - since I came into Christ and really followed him - for some reason I have kept his Sabbaths - and pray everyday anyway.

The seventh-day Sabbath was kept for some time after Jesus' resurrection, but as a result of several Jewish uprisings against the Romans, the Romans began persecuting the Jews. The increasing anti-semitism in the Roman Empire led Christians to try to dissociate themselves with Jews. They had previously even been considered a sect of Judaism by the Romans and thus been tolerated. One of the most obvious ways to separate themselves was to worship on Sunday instead of Saturday because Sunday (the day of the Sun) was a popular day of worship in pagan Rome. The change did not happen all at once, though, and many Christians kept both days. For a while, the early Christians were encouraged to keep Saturday as a fast day and Sunday as the day of worship, using the idea of Jesus' resurrection on Sunday as their justification. Eventually, the Church designated Sunday as the only acceptable "Sabbath" day or Lord's Day, but throughout the Christian era there have always been groups that did not submit to the authority of the Catholic Church and continued to observe the seventh-day Sabbath in accordance with the Bible. These groups, such as the Waldenses in medieval France, often faced persecution because of their beliefs.

To learn more about this subject, check out the following article by Dr. Samuele Bacchiocchi:
http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/endtimeissues/eti_64.html

Bacchiocchi received his doctoral degree from the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome and was the first non-Catholic ever to publish a book with the imprimatur (approval) of the Catholic Church. That book, From Sabbath to Sunday, is about the history of the change.

 

[spirit1st]

You understand?JESUS CHRIST IS THE NEW TESTAMENT.But it could not take full affect until HE died.As well as many things.HE had too be the 1st at.Like going to NEW JERUSALEM.He had to go up 1st.Then we could follow.Which we do.as soon as we dump these old bodys!Now HE is The 2nd adam.The 1st being formed of the earth or dirt.The 2nd a spiritual being.Nothing like we see in the flesh!Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
because we are now made like this city.perfect and enternal.This is our home now.forever.we kinda just visiting here.
I think?one of our main problems,we are used to judging all things,by what we see?But this is wrong judgement.

 

[Cliff2]

One thing I do not understand is if Jesus kept these days and the Jews - why were not they kept after - the number 7 means perfection like the number 40 means trial - God rested on the 7th day because he perfected everything on earth - that is if you believe in young earth - which I do - since I came into Christ and really followed him - for some reason I have kept his Sabbaths - and pray everyday anyway.

After the resurrection many still kept the Sabbath.

The Apostles kept the Sabbath.

Through out history many have still been Sabbath keepers.

St Patrick was a 7th day Sabbath keeper.

 

[TrustAndObey]

After the resurrection many still kept the Sabbath.

The Apostles kept the Sabbath.

Through out history many have still been Sabbath keepers.

St Patrick was a 7th day Sabbath keeper.

I was married on "St. Patrick's Day" a few years ago. I was happy to later find out that he was a Sabbath-keeper!

Honestly the reason I picked that day is because I wanted a nice Spring wedding and it just happened to fall on the weekend I wanted to have my wedding. Also because I'm Irish I thought it would be nice.