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Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?

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Yes, if one were trying to be justified by the Law then there would be a problem, you will be judged by that same Law, Paul was not speaking about if you keep it, but if you try to justify yourself by it. This is a big difference, keeping the Law is the right thing to do because the Law is Holy, Just and Good (Rom 7:12). Those that have faith in Jesus though, are not under the Law and have passed from death to life, now we live a life that is zealous for good works (Titus 2:14)
No that is exactly what Paul was warning them about. Sorry to say.... he was talking to them that wanted to still be justified by the Law .... he was warning them and instructing them as to it's new purpose now.
Rom 9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost,

Rom 9:2 That I have great heaviness and continual sorrow in my heart.

Rom 9:3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;

Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Rom 9:9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.

Rom 9:10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

Rom 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.

Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.

Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

Rom 9:22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

Rom 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Rom 9:25 As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.

Rom 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. (The Gentiles, Egypt)

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Rom 9:28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth.

Rom 9:29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.

Rom 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.

Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

Rom 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Rom 9:33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion(Being Isreal) a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.








This site is from Judaism, their belief system is completely different than us Christians. Judaism is not the religion of the Old Covenant, this form of religion had it's start about 400 B.C. After the Babylonian captivity, they started coming up with oral laws that would put a protective hedge around the Laws so they would not mistakenly break them. And Rabbinic Judaism is so far removed from Chistian thought they should not even be compared to one another. So, we should not mistaken the Jews of the Old Testament era with the Jews of Judaism today.
I know it is from Judaism and that it is Rabbinic Law but it is also the Ancient Rabbinic Laws that were applicable... Umm who said that it applied to Christian Law.... It was not meant to apply to Christan Law it was meant to show what they believed not what we believed. And certainly it was not meant to show what was apllicable after Christ established the New Covenant.
 
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It is not secret knowledge that in 321, Constantine decreed, "On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed" (Codex Justinianus lib. 3, ***. 12, 3; trans. in Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, Vol. 3, p. 380, note 1). Constantine seems to have made this change himself and not through the papacy, since the "papacy" had not really come in to being at that time.

The papacy grew gradually out of the office of Bishop and for many years this was centered in Rome. In any case, it should be noted that in doing this, Constantine is not changing the Sabbath; he is merely making Sunday the official day of rest for the Roman Empire. His motivation was probably not born out of hatred for the Jews (it's hard to say for sure why Constantine or any historical figure did what they did) but out of adoption of the practice that Christians had already been doing for nearly two and a half centuries.
 
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TrustAndObey said:
Well I have to disagree with you Isaiah, but I think you already know that. (I AM calm by the way..lol...I'm a pretty easy-going chick).

Agree to disagree....that is all we ever accomplish on these forums...fun though :thumbsup:

PAX CHRISTI
 
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GraceInHim said:
The papacy grew gradually out of the office of Bishop and for many years this was centered in Rome. In any case, it should be noted that in doing this, Constantine is not changing the Sabbath; he is merely making Sunday the official day of rest for the Roman Empire. His motivation was probably not born out of hatred for the Jews (it's hard to say for sure why Constantine or any historical figure did what they did) but out of adoption of the practice that Christians had already been doing for nearly two and a half centuries.
Hi GraceInHim,
Your last sentence caught my eye and this truly is the crux of this thread - were the Christians of that time actually following the scriptures in their observance and tradition of Sunday? The answer is clearly no, they couldn't have been. This is only one of the reasons that I reject tradition unless it is firmly rooting in the scriptures.
There is an old saying:
"The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false." - Travis Walton
also,
"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". - George Orwell
 
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PaleHorse said:
Hi GraceInHim,
Your last sentence caught my eye and this truly is the crux of this thread - were the Christians of that time actually following the scriptures in their observance and tradition of Sunday? The answer is clearly no, they couldn't have been. This is only one of the reasons that I reject tradition unless it is firmly rooting in the scriptures.
There is an old saying:
"The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false." - Travis Walton
also,
"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". - George Orwell

sorry - I just responded to I53 - that Constantine started this - I worship everyday - I should of taken out Christians have been doing this - but it does state it is hard to say why it was changed - I stick with Sabbaths :thumbsup:
 
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GraceInHim said:
sorry - I just responded to I53 - that Constantine started this - I worship everyday - I should of taken out Christians have been doing this - but it does state it is hard to say why it was changed - I stick with Sabbaths :thumbsup:
Oh..okay, cool. :) I also worship God every day, but I really look forward to my intimate time with Him on the Sabbath.
 
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PaleHorse said:
Hi GraceInHim,
Your last sentence caught my eye and this truly is the crux of this thread - were the Christians of that time actually following the scriptures in their observance and tradition of Sunday? The answer is clearly no, they couldn't have been. This is only one of the reasons that I reject tradition unless it is firmly rooting in the scriptures.
There is an old saying:
"The truth, of course, is that a billion falsehoods told a billion times by a billion people are still false." - Travis Walton
also,
"In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". - George Orwell

Is that why or is it because you would have re-evaluate your theological opinions?

Also, are you going respond to post #130?

PAX CHRISTI
 
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Hi tall73, yeah Acts 20:7 looks to have the same word regarding sabboths, that Jesus the bread of life is to be given which is broken for us and are to give it to others, the bible. So God in the OT was giving us scripture to see he was talking about a new thing, Isa 42:9, Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.
And upon the first of the week(sabbatwn <4521>), when the disciples came together to break bread,

Isa 58:4, Behold, ye fast for strife and debate,

Isa 58:7, not to deal thy bread to the hungry,?

Matthew 5:6, Blessed they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

John 6:35, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:34, Then said he unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

Revelation 2:17, I am the first and the last: And was dead and am alive forever more.

Matthew 16:12, Then understood they how that he bade not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Saducees.



tall73 said:
Just curious, but by good do you mean according to your view? What about Acts 20:7 where the word is again used of the first of the week? Was this again a reference to a new Sabbath instituted on that day? It is clear that this was the common usage. Hence almost all of the translations rendering it that way.

Moreover, this was hardly a treatise on the end of the Sabbaths, but was a description of it being the end of the Sabbath day, and the next day was the first day.

The plural was used in several instances to indicate the Sabbath day.
 
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Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church;and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoeverthou shalt bind on earth
shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


Umm what part of "whatsoever" is not understood? I think that it goes without saying though that you are right, but then again I think GOD, knew what he was doing too when he gave this power to Peter didn't you consider this? He is of course GOD after all.... I think that highlighted part of where it says about Christ's Church that the gates of Hell will not prevail against it ..... well I think that is something to think about because see if we were to say and readily accept as Doctrine that there were other Gods that would mean that the gates of hell have prevailed ..... (Debi)



We need to have a look at the Bible to find out what and who is this rock that Jesus talked about.

If we were to look at Peter and see how fragile he was and Jesus did know the end from the begining he would not have been the best type to build a Church on.

Ephesians 2:20
built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.

1 Peter 2:6
For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."



From Scripture I see that Jesus is the rock, the chief cornerstone.

Peter is even telling us that Jesus is the cornerstone.






1 Corinthians 10:4
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ
 
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applepowerpc said:
I stand by my point, that what day it's on is not worth arguing about. So, in accordance with Colossians 2:16, I will celebrate Sabbath on Sunday. If you don't agree with it, well...that verse says it's not for you to judge. Feel free to honor it on Saturday, though.

Actually, it isn't saying to to judge but let the Church judge, if you read vs 17
 
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The phrase [font=&quot]&#956;&#8055;&#945;&#957; &#963;&#945;&#946;&#946;&#8049;&#964;&#969;&#957; [/font]means, "first day of the week" [font=&quot]&#963;&#945;&#946;&#946;&#8049;&#964;&#969;&#957; [/font]not only means Sabbath the day of rest but also means Week and if you look in any grammar or see the usage in a Standard Lexicon, like the BDAG you will see its usage. Lets not read more into something that isn't there. All translations but one that I have checked translate it this way and the one that didn't isn't really a translation in the sense of the purpose of a translation.


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b. pl. [font=&quot](&#7969;) &#956;&#8055;&#945; (&#964;&#8182;&#957;) &#963;&#945;&#946;&#946;&#8049;&#964;&#969;&#957; [/font](i.e. [font=&quot]&#7969;&#956;&#8051;&#961;&#945;[/font]) the first day of the week Mt 28:1b (Just., D. 41, 4; s. Dalman, Gramm. 247; SKrauss, Talm. Archäologie II 1911, 428f; PGardner-Smith, JTS 27, 1926, 179-81); Mk 16:2; Lk 24:1; J 20:1, 19; Ac 20:7; 1 Cor 16:2 v.l. Judeans fast [font=&quot]&#948;&#949;&#965;&#964;&#8051;&#961;&#8115; &#963;&#945;&#946;&#946;&#8049;&#964;&#969;&#957; &#954;&#945;&#8054; &#960;&#8051;&#956;&#960;&#964;&#8131; [/font]on the second and fifth days of the week (Monday and Thursday) D 8:1 (s. [font=&quot]&#957;&#951;&#963;&#964;&#949;&#8059;&#969; [/font]and the lit. there).—ESchürer, Die siebentägige Woche im Gebr. der christl. Kirche der ersten Jahrhunderte: ZNW 6, 1905, 1-66; FColson, The Week 1926; FBoll, Hebdomas: Pauly-W. VII/2, 1912, 2547-48; RNorth, The Derivation of ‘Sabbath’, Biblica 36, ’55, 182-201; WRordorf, Sunday, tr. AGraham, ’68; BHHW III 1633-35; TRE III 608.—B. 1005. DELG s.v. [font=&quot]&#963;&#8049;&#946;&#946;&#945;&#964;&#945;[/font]. M-M. EDNT. TW.


ra123 said:
Cliff, I did a google for greek Matthew 28 and some pages came up, it has the word sabbaths used twice. So why did it translate different I don't know but it looks to translate, In the end of the sabbaths, as it began to dawn toward the first of the sabbaths. Meaning an era of sabbaths had come to an end, now that Christ is here we rest in him, Sunday.

Search in Greek/English Interlinear(tr)NT for Matthew 28, This is the word to look at, sabbatwn <4521>
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

This one has it too, http://www.studylight.org/isb/bible.cgi?query=Matthew+28&section=2&it=kjv&ot=bhs&nt=byz&Enter=Perform+Search
 
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TrustAndObey said:
Well I have to disagree with you Isaiah, but I think you already know that. (I AM calm by the way..lol...I'm a pretty easy-going chick).

Debiwebi, you are not coming off as a very nice person in that last post and I know you are a nice person....so maybe you could reword some of it?
.....:sorry:
 
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please fogive my error in misreading your opening to your post it was not deliberate I assure and please forgive the tone I used .... whether or not you had posted that or not I still should not have replied in kind therefore I am at fault and I beg your fogiveness.....
 
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TrustAndObey said:
I wasn't offended, although oldsage is a friend of mine just like you are. It is just that you appear not to be a nice person in that post and if people don't know you from other threads they might get the wrong idea, that's all.
sorry I just apologized because I went back and checked on it because you said something and it made me think to check to see if maybe I misread something again .... And I did ....
 
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Isaiah 53 said:
Can you cite your claim here?

PAX CHRISTI

This is from the Apostolic Scriptures:

Acts 13:14; Acts 13:42; Acts 13:44; Acts 15:21; Acts 16:13; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4; Col 2:16-17; Heb 4:9

Now other sources:

A learned English first-day writer of the seventeenth century, William Twisse, D. D., thus states the early history of these two days:

"Yet for some hundred years in the primitive church, not the Lord's day only, but the seventh day also, was religiously observed, not by Ebion and Cerinthus only, but by pious Christians also, as Baronius writeth, and Gomarus confesseth, and Rivet also, that we are bound in conscience under the gospel, to allow for God's service a better proportion of time, than the Jews did under the law, rather than a worse."—Morality of the Fourth Commandment, p. 9, London, 1641

"While the Jewish Christians of Palestine retained the entire Mosaic law, and consequently the Jewish festivals, the Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath and the passover, with reference to the last scenes of Jesus' life, but without Jewish superstition. In addition to these, Sunday, as the day of Christ's resurrection, was devoted to religious services."-- Eccl. Hist. vol. i. chap. ii. sect. 30.

"The seventh day of the week was also observed as a festival, not by the Christians in general, but by such churches only as were principally composed of Jewish converts, nor did the other Christians censure this custom as criminal and unlawful."-- Eccl. Hist. book i. cent. l. part ii. chap. iv. sect. 4. Dr. Murdock's translation is more accurate than that above by Maclaine. He gives it thus:- "Moreover, those congregations, which either lived intermingled with Jews, or were composed in great measure of Jews, were accustomed also to observe the seventh day of the week, as a SACRED day: for doing which, the other Christians taxed them with no wrong.

This is just a few examples of information about that time era. I will endeavor to come up with more information, I have much in storage right now, seeing how I have been lazy and haven't completely unpacked my library.

I did want to post a story that happened back in the 1600's to get a feel for the persecution that was going on to Sabbatarians of the time, which is why it isn't easy to find lots of info on them:

"It was about this time [A.D. 1661], that a congregation of Baptists holding the seventh day as a Sabbath, being assembled at their meeting-house in Bull-stake alley, the doors being open, about three o'clock P.M. [Oct. 19], whilst Mr. John James was preaching, one Justice Chard, with Mr. Wood, an headborough, came into the meeting-place. Wood commanded him in the king's name to be silent and come down, having spoken treason against the king. But Mr. James, taking little or no notice thereof, proceeded in his work. The headborough came nearer to him in the middle of the meeting-place and commanded him again in the king's name to come down or else he would pull him down; whereupon the disturbance grew so great that he could not proceed."

The officer having pulled him down from the pulpit, led him away to the court under a strong guard. Mr. Utter continues this narrative as follows:

"Mr. James was himself examined and committed to Newgate, on the testimony of several profligate witnesses, who accused him of speaking treasonable words against the king. His trial took place about a month afterward, at which he conducted himself in such a manner as to create much sympathy. He was, however, sentenced to be hanged, drawn and quartered. This awful sentence did not dismay him in the least. He calmly said, `Blessed be God; whom man condemneth, God justifieth.' While he lay in prison, under sentence of death, many persons of distinction visited him, who were greatly affected by his piety and resignation, and offered to exert themselves to secure his pardon. But he seems to have had little hope of their success. Mrs. James, by advice of her friends, twice presented petitions to the king [Charles II.], setting forth the innocence of her husband, the character of the witnesses against him, and entreating His Majesty to grant a pardon. In both instances she was repulsed with scoffs and ridicule. At the scaffold, on the day of his execution, Mr. James addressed the assembly in a very noble and affecting manner. Having finished his address, and kneeling down, he thanked God for covenant mercies, and for conscious innocence; he prayed for the witnesses against him, for the executioner, for the people of God, for the removal of divisions, for the coming of Christ, for the spectators, and for himself, that he might enjoy a sense of God's favour and presence, and an entrance into glory. When he had ended, the executioner said, `The Lord receive your soul;' to which Mr. James replied, `I thank thee.' A friend observing to him, `This is a happy day,' he answered, `I bless God it is.' Then having thanked the sheriff for his courtesy, he said, `Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit.' . . . After he was dead his heart was taken out and burned, his quarters were affixed to the gates of the city, and his head was set up in White chapel on a pole opposite to the alley in which his meeting-house stood."-- Crosby's Hist. Eng. Baptists vol. 2. pp. 165-171. Manual of the Seventh-day Baptists, &c. pp. 21-23. (When asked what he had to say why sentence should not be pronounced, he said he would leave with them these scriptures: Jer.26:14,15; Ps.116:15.)

Such was the experience of English Sabbath-keepers in the seventeenth century. It cost something to obey the fourth commandment in such times as those. The laws of England during that century were very oppressive to all Dissenters, and bore exceedingly hard upon the Sabbath-keepers. But God raised up able men, eminent for piety, to defend his truth during those troublous times, and, if need be, to seal their testimony with their blood. In the seventeenth century, eleven churches of Sabbatarians flourished in England, while many scattered Sabbath-keepers were to be found in various parts of that kingdom. Now, but three of these churches are in existence! And only remnants, even of these, remain!

I also have a story on the history of Sabbath keepers in America which is interesting, but I think I should leave that for another thread. This is already getting off the topic, I think.
 
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Isaiah 53 said:
My fault...I forgot about the 'big bad church' documents...

PAX CHRISTI

personally I don't believe the Catholic Church is hiding any documents, nor do I believe they altered them to suit their purpose. I don't believe a conspiracy is going on either.
 
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