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Actually the Apostle John or St... John the Evangelist as he is called in the Church are the one in the same ....pjw said:St. John the Evangelist was the writer of the Gospel of John.
Well for one, just as you noted, he was vouched for by Paul himself. Also, there in nothing in the Gospel of Luke that contradicts with the other three gospels that talk of Christ's time here on earth - so that in itself lends credibility. The gospel of Luke was written in about 64-70 A.D., whereas Ignatius wrote in roughly 135 A.D. - a lot can/does change in 65 years and I see it as error to be frank. Lastly, Mark also vouched for him.prodromos said:Luke was not one of the twelve but was a disciple of Paul's, yet his writings are acceptable. Why not Ignatius?
this is a correct translation. the word Sabbath was often used for the entire week.Hi Cliff2, In Matthew 28 it should read, In the end of the sabbath's as it began to dawn toward the first of the sabbath's. God made all things new on Sunday.
I know. St. John the Apostle, Theologian, and Evangelist penned the fourth Gospel, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and at least the first letter attributed to him. he may also have written the second and third letters, however, some of the early church fathers and councils referred to the writer of these as 'another John, a presbyter.'Actually the Apostle John or St... John the Evangelist as he is called in the Church are the one in the same ....
The apostle John wrote not only the Gospel but also 1st 2nd and 3rd john and the book of Revelation ... they are all the works of ONE Writer
pjw said:some more detail on 'the first of the Sabbaths...'
the same word "sabbaton" is used to describe the Sabbath day and an entire week. it is also used in Acts, the disciples came together on the first of the week (sabbaton), which shows that it doesn't necessarily mean Christ's rising was the first of the sabbaths. it was the word for week.
on the first day of the week, the New Testament Church assembled together, broke bread and shared a meal together, were instructed from God's Word, and collected their offerings for the poor. it can also probably be assumed that they prayed together as well, as i can't imagine an early church assembly with preaching and breaking of bread wouldn't also have included prayer.
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It is funny that you all say that you will only listen to Scripture but when the Scripture is right there for you to see you will not address it and say that it is not true .... Are you saying that the word of God is not true when I am backing up my argument SCRIPTURALLY.... Because several times now I have posted the scriptures and several times now instead of the scriptures being addressed they are ignored and all I get is this is not true and then we are back to the argument did they have the authoprity even if it is true when in fact I can prove scripturally again that God gave them the authority Himself .... What does it say in the Bible about calling God a liar?
no, breaking bread refers to the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection in the Eucharist. they broke bread and ate a mealI agree with you that breaking bread means eating a meal.
Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
pjw said:this is a correct translation. the word Sabbath was often used for the entire week.
I know. St. John the Apostle, Theologian, and Evangelist penned the fourth Gospel, the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and at least the first letter attributed to him. he may also have written the second and third letters, however, some of the early church fathers and councils referred to the writer of these as 'another John, a presbyter.'
St. John the Apostle could have died any time between 90 AD and 110 AD. the 135AD statement is from St. Justin MartyrHave you any idea when John died?
Not sure myself but from a previous post John the Evangelist is quoted as making a statement in about 135 AD if my memory is correct.
Just a question, would you consider it strange to take Communion/Eucharist twice in one day or in one meeting?pjw said:no, breaking bread refers to the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection in the Eucharist. they broke bread and ate a meal
and they didn't necessarily break bread every day. it says they continued daily in the temple, and broke bread from house to house, not that they broke bread from house to house daily
But did you read the rest of the verse? Let's look at it again:pjw said:no, breaking bread refers to the celebration of Christ's death and resurrection in the Eucharist. they broke bread and ate a meal
and they didn't necessarily break bread every day. it says they continued daily in the temple, and broke bread from house to house, not that they broke bread from house to house daily
Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. 43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. 44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common; 45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. 46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, 47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
But you have to admit that the text doesn't say anything about the Communion or Eucharist, so to say it does requires one to make possible symbolic connections that may or may not be there.pjw said:the Church is said to come together for to break bread. this was the whole purpose of their coming together. they came together to have the Eucharist and listen to Paul preach.
reading the verses in Acts 2, it says that the early disciples continued to worship every day in the Temple as before, as well as having their own gatherings for the purpose of breaking bread. the fact that they eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart could lend support to the idea that they were partaking of Communion. singleness of heart - fellowship or communion. gladness - thankfulness (i.e. Eucharist).
no i wouldn't.Lastly, as I asked above, would you find it strange for someone to take Communion/Eucharist twice in one day or meeting?
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