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How does any of this apply to the topic of this thread?spirit1st said:We are counted dead on the cross with the LORD!
We are bought and paid for.Our whole life is now HIS.Not a certain day.But I do know?He wants us to go to church
and take our familys.Any day is fine!
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
1Jo 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.
NOTHING or any sin ,can touch this new creature,we are!if born of GOD!.HE protects us forever more.HE gets all the GLORY and honor?BECAUSE HE DOES EVERYTHING!
And that is the very point; for it was during the first century that such changes took place and I do not accept such teachings.Oblio said:Nope, the NT does not speak of the history of the Church past the first century. Nore is the Bible the entirety of God's word.
Yes you are backing out of your argument. You wanted evidence of St. Patrick being a Sabbath-keeper - I provided it. The essays that I gave links for have the proper citations within the text; it is not my problem that you didn't bother to read it.Uh ... no.
"As usual"? If you calling me a liar please just say it outright, else stop being rude.As usual, you bear false witness. I will ask you again, what man changed the Sabbath and when ?
Where do you get your "facts"? Boy are you off.calidog said:Saturday is the original sabbath. If you live by the law, you cease work on the original sabath. Jesus expounded on the law by saying if you broke the law in your heart, you are guilty.
I don't believe anywhere in the bible it says that we now consider Sunday as a new sabbath.
What Paul is saying is Christ is the fulfillment of what the holy days and sabbaths represented, and we are FREE to worship God any or all days of the week.
Jesus said sabbath day of rest is made for man; not man made for sabbath.
Therefore we take one day a week for rest from work. As christians, Christ is a picture of sabbath, He is our rest; He said "it is finished" and now we rest on what He has done.
After reading Pauls letters, the early church chose resurection sunday to worship and rest, being free to do that because of what Paul said.
It was the early church that began calling sunday sabbath.
Worship and rest on saturday or sunday. Worship every day and rest one day a week. You choose.
PaleHorse said:No, the Sabbath was not fulfilled by Christ, else He never would have made the comment He did in Matthew 24:20 (of which He was talking about a date roughly 40 years after His death on the cross) nor would Paul have told us in Hebrews 4:9 that the seventh-day Sabbath remained for Christians.
Matt 24:20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath.
PaleHorse said:Thanks for playing though.
And that is the very point; for it was during the first century that such changes took place and I do not accept such teachings.
You wanted evidence of St. Patrick being a Sabbath-keeper - I provided it.
The essays that I gave links for have the proper citations within the text; it is not my problem that you didn't bother to read it.
"As usual"? If you calling me a liar please just say it outright, else stop being rude.
EverSearching said:What is so sacred about winter? Or could it be that flight from Jerusalem in winter would be difficult as would flight on the sabbath because of the locked gates of the city?
TrustAndObey said:The gates of the city were locked from the inside...so I don't think that's an obstacle.
Winter isn't sacred. I think the point being made is that Jesus used the word "Sabbath" and said they should pray that their flight not be on that day, a day of rest. Christ Himself calls it the "Sabbath day". If He knew it was going to be nailed to the cross, He could've called it the "seventh day". See what I mean?
TrustAndObey said:The gates of the city were locked from the inside...so I don't think that's an obstacle.
TrustAndObey said:Winter isn't sacred. I think the point being made is that Jesus used the word "Sabbath" and said they should pray that their flight not be on that day, a day of rest. Christ Himself calls it the "Sabbath day". If He knew it was going to be nailed to the cross, He could've called it the "seventh day". See what I mean?
EverSearching said:Locked and Guarded by apostate Jews with no love for christians
I think the point being made is that by that time the "Sabbath day" would be no more sacred then winter. Of course, Christ called it the Sabbath. He was a Jew speaking to other Jews.
St. Justin Martyr said:CHAP. LXVII.--WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday,(1) all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability,(2) and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given,(3) and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.
TrustAndObey said:I'm going to be officially old. But thank you!
GraceInHim said:wait to yrt get my age - 2 more years -the big 40 comes soon - thats when you stop counting -
SassySDA said:50's come even faster.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO COME, T&O
TrustAndObey said:I would think if the lock/guards were the issue Jesus would've just said that. Something about "pray that your flight through the locks and guards......" However that isn't what He said at all. I think He mentioned winter because their flight would've been much more difficult, and He said Sabbath because it was still to be honored 40+ years after His death. Christ also mentioned women giving suck...He knew it would be difficult for them to escape if they had a young child being breastfed.
TrustAndObey said:We're also going to celebrate Sabbath on the new earth.
TrustAndObey said:EverSearching, I think that when Jesus talked with people, He was trying to convert them to Christianity. If they were Jewish and accepted Him as the Messiah they were then CHRISTIAN. Paul was a Pharisee that accepted Christ and became a Christian. Mary was of Jewish bloodline but accepted Christ and became a Christian.
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