Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)

[tall73]

You are not understanding. The law was abolished and replaced by Grace. When we are is FELLOWSHIP (rebound 1 John 1 :9) we ARE fullfilling the law Already.

For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace. (Rom.6:14).

God the Holy Spirit Indwells us now, THROUGH the FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (1John one 1:9) we are at that point SINLESS, we can do no wrong........Because God the Holy Spirit is doing the work through us ( we are not doing it).

Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom.10:4).


The jews in the exodus NEVER had the "FILLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT", (the grace package) they only had their HUMAN abilty to serve the Lord, that is why almost all of them failed. God KNEW this, THAT is why the law was obolished. This is the part of the mystery doctrine for the church, this is what put's us above any other generation before us. We are unique. We have more than any other people, His GIFT to us!

Then how can Paul say that Abraham and David were saved by grace in Romans 4.

Moreover if they were doing it in their own human way then NONE of them could be saved because everyone has sinned.

I think you are missing the point of the law being done away with. The law as an external entity, laws on stone, are not necessary because we walk in the Spirit, doing naturally what pleases God.

Or as the new covenant says in Hebrews the law is written on our hearts and minds.

 

[linssue55]

Numbers 11:29
And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets,(NOT all people will be prophets) and that the LORD would put (would=something that WILL take place in the future, but has NOT yet taken place, for ALL the prophets had the filling of the Spirit) put his spirit upon them! (the spirit was put on the prophets......in all of the old testament only around 100 people God gave this gift to).

This is my teachings through the years, taught by my church............it is worth the read............God Bless.......

The doctrine of the Mosaic law​

1. The Mosaic law is divided into three parts: the moral code — Codex #1 — which has the commandments related to the laws of establishment — like in Exodus chapter 20 and Deuteronomy chapter five. This part of the Mosaic law is pertinent today under the laws of divine establishment; Codex #2 is the spiritual code, known in the scripture [KJV] as the ordinances. It is a complete Christology designed to present the Lord Jesus Christ as the only saviour and the God of Israel. It includes everything from the structure of the tabernacle, the holy days, the Levitical offerings, and the modus operandi of the Levitical priesthood; Codex #3 is known in the KJV as the judgements. It presents divine laws of establishment designed to provide freedom and privacy for Israel. It was designed to protect their property, their rights, their privileges. It included the functions of the divine institutions, many practical and wonderful things such as diet, sanitation, quarantine, soil conservation, taxation, universal military training, and many other things.

2. It is very important to understand the recipients of the Mosaic law. They can be divided into three very simple points. a) It was given to Israel — Exodus 19:3; Leviticus 26:46; Romans 3:19; 9:4; b) It was not given to the Gentiles — Deuteronomy 4:8; Romans 2:12-14; c) Christians — Church Age believers — are not under the law. It was not given to the Church. It is not an authorizing agent for any part of the royal priesthood — Acts 15:5, 24; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19.

3. The Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law — Matthew 5:17. He fulfilled specifically, Codex #2, by His ministry on the cross. In effect, He actually fulfilled Codex #1 by His impeccability. It can even be said that He fulfilled certain stages of Codex #3 in the field of patriotism and the laws of establishment — Matthew 22:21. But the principle concept is that the Lord Jesus Christ fulfilled the law by His sacrifice on the cross.

4. Therefore, Christ is the end of the law for the royal family, for Church Age believers, for the royal priesthood — Romans 10:4. And in effect there is a conflict between the royal priesthood of the believer and the former Levitical priesthood. The conflict is resolved by the annulment, the abrogation of the law. The law is not in function today.

5. Believers of the Church Age, members of the royal family, are under a higher law. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is the badge of royalty. The filling of the Holy Spirit is the fulfillment of the higher law, the superseding law, the law which nullifies the Mosaic law — Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 5:18, 22, 23; 1 Corinthians chapter 13.

6. The limitations of the Mosaic law. a) It cannot justify. The law was never designed to be an agent of justification — Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:20, 28; Acts 13:39; Philippians 3:9. b) It cannot provide life, it cannot perpetuate anything. Everything related to the law died and disappeared — like the Levitical priesthood. The Mosaic law could not perpetuate the Levitical priesthood forever. So it cannot give life — Galatians 3:21. c) It cannot provide God the Holy Spirit — Galatians 3:2. God the Holy Spirit is provided — indwelling only — members of the royal family as the sign of royalty. d) It cannot solve the problem of the old sin nature — Romans 8:3.

7. The present purpose of the Mosaic law. Under Codex #1 we have a definition of freedom through the laws of divine establishment. For believers and unbelievers alike. Codex #1 is also designed to convince by divine standard that the unbeliever is a sinner and needs a saviour — Romans 3:20, 28; 1 Timothy 1:8-10. Codex #2 is designed to communicate the Gospel by illustration, by analogy. Codex #3 provides for the national function of freedom under the laws of divine establishment: freedom through military victory, prosperity through free enterprise. This is in contrast to our passage where the past purpose of the Mosaic law was for an authorizing agent for the Levitical priesthood. We saw that in Hebrews 7:11,12.

8. The Mosaic law is known by other nomenclature. For example, it is called the book of the covenant — Exodus 24:7,8; 34:27,28; Deuteronomy 4:13-16, 23; 8:18; 9:9,11,15. There is an addendum to the Mosaic law in Deuteronomy 29. The prophecy of the breaking of the covenant is found in Deuteronomy 31, and also Jeremiah 22:9. The book of the covenant is the subject of Jeremiah chapter 11 but is not to be confused with the new covenant of Jeremiah 31.

9. Keeping the law was never a way of salvation, it was the way of human freedom and human prosperity under establishment. It was designed to provide the best possible conditions for the writing of the Old Testament canon, and it did that perfectly. There is constant reference throughout the Old Testament to the Mosaic law. Unbelievers can follow the law today, for what to do and not what to do in a National Entity (Laws of Divine establishment). Anything an unbeliever can do is not Christianity. The Mosaic law is just common sense for all people.

The doctrine of the Mosaic covenant

1. The Mosaic covenant is divided into three categories.

The first part called the ten commandments is the freedom code. They do not describe morality, they describe freedom. The fact that morality is mentioned is simply to prove the fact that freedom is based upon establishment. Establishment functions on morality. You don't have many sins mentioned, only those where freedom is violated. These commandments form the heritage of freedom for the Jewish nation. Human freedom is described in terms of establishment, it is described in terms of morality, the basis for human freedom and privacy.

The second part of the Mosaic law called the ordinances is the spiritual or the theological code. This is the spiritual heritage of Israel recognizing that this nation as well as this race was born from regeneration. When the race was born Abraham was born again, Isaac was born again, Jacob was born again. The nation was born from Moses, Moses was born again, and the Passover commemorates the fact that those liberated, 20 and over, were also born again or they died. So we have a great spiritual heritage in codex #2. This heritage includes primarily doctrines of soteriology and Christology. It emphasizes the fact that believers are designed to function under both the laws of divine establishment as well as doctrine resident in the soul. It includes such subjects as the tabernacle, the holy days, Levitical offerings, modus operandi of the Levitical priesthood, and many other factors connected to the spiritual life.

The third category under the Mosaic law, called the judgements in the KJV, is really the establishment code. It is perhaps the most understood of all and the one that is often distorted into some brand of legalism. It was definitely misunderstood in the days when Paul wrote to Timothy. It includes political as well as the functional heritage of the nation Israel. It covers many subjects: freedom, privacy, marriage, divorce, military service, taxation (tithing), diet, health, sanitation, quarantine, criminal law. And it delineates free enterprise as the only basis for national prosperity.

2. The recipients of the law was the nation Israel — Exodus 19:3; Leviticus 26:46; Romans 3:19; 9:4. It was definitely not given to the Gentiles — Deuteronomy 4:8; Roman 2:12-14. It was, furthermore, not given to the Church — Acts 15:5,24; Romans 6:14; Galatians 2:19.

3. Jesus Christ and the law. Jesus Christ kept the law perfectly during the period of His incarnation. This is a part of the doctrine of impeccability, it is also a part of His patriotism. Christ condemned the legalistic distortions of the law and the Pharisees who sponsored them. Christ fulfilled the law — Matthew 5:17, and Christ is the end of the law for believers — Romans 10:4.

4. Keeping the law is not a way of salvation, never was and never will be — Galatians 2:16. While the Mosaic law reveals the way of salvation it is not the means of being saved. The Mosaic law teaches the gospel but is not the way of appropriating the gospel. It is the way of human freedom, the way of human blessing and prosperity under establishment, but it is not the way of salvation.

5. Keeping the law is also not spirituality. Believers in the Church Age and/or the royal family of God are under the higher law of spirituality related to God the Holy Spirit, (1 John 1:9) related to the function of GAP (Grace Apparatus for Perception) — Romans 8:2-4; Galatians 5:18,22,23; 1 Corinthians 13.

6. Therefore the Mosaic law is limited as far as THIS dispensation is concerned. We are in the intercalated dispensation and therefore its limitation:

a) It cannot justify — Galatians 2:16; Romans 3:20,28; Acts 13:39; Philippians 3:9.

b) It cannot give life — Galatians 3:21.

c) It cannot provide the Holy Spirit — Galatians 3:2.

d) It cannot solve the problem of the old sin nature — Romans 8:4.

7. Other nomenclature for the Mosaic law. It is called the book of the covenant in Exodus 24:7,8; 34:27,28; Deuteronomy 4:13-16, 23, 31; 8:18; 9:9, 11, 15. In other words, throughout the Old testament in the Pentateuch you are going to stumble over the phrase “this book of the covenant.” This is a specific reference to the Mosaic covenant. The addendum to the Mosaic law found in Deuteronomy 29-32 is definitely a part of the Mosaic law. Prophecies of breaking the covenant are found in Deuteronomy 31:16, 20; Jeremiah 22:9. The book of the covenant is the subject of Jeremiah 11 but is not to be confused with the new covenant to Israel in Jeremiah 31:31ff.

8. The past purpose of the Mosaic law in the Age of Israel.

The Mosaic law was the authorizing agent for a specialized priesthood — the Levitical priesthood — Hebrews 7:11,12. It authorized the tabernacle as a sacred building and training aid for teaching doctrine — Hebrews 9:1-6. The law authorized Levitical sacrifices — Hebrews 9:12,13. It authorized the blood of animals as a dedication of shadows — Hebrews 9:18-22 cf. 10:1, and it established the pattern for blessing and prosperity in the nation for believer and unbeliever under the laws of divine establishment.

9. The present purpose of the Mosaic law in the Church Age. It is written for our instruction — Romans 15:4. Our confidence in certain areas, like free enterprise. It was written for our example — 1 Corinthians 10:11,12. It also has another purpose, to convince by divine standards that the unbeliever is a sinner and needs a saviour. In other words, it is a prelude to gospel presentation — Romans 3:20,28; Galatians 2:16.

So the Mosaic law and its principles form the pattern of policy for all good national government

 

[linssue55]

It was offer just as it was offered to us, it still is up to us to accept. As Moses said...God wants the same then as He does now, for all of us to walk in His Spirit.

People who had the Filling of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament...........From my teachings......


The Enduement (temporary filling of the holy spirit) of the Holy Spirit was the provision of the Holy Spirit to only a few selected individuals prior to the Church Age to enable them to perform a special mission. For example, Moses was endued with the Holy Spirit to enable him to lead the nation of Israel to the Promised Land. Bezalel and Oholiab were endued with the Holy Spirit to make the furniture and curtains in the Tabernacle (Exodus 37:1; 38:22-23). Samson was endued with great strength from the Holy Spirit (not his hair), and David was endued with the Holy Spirit, which he lost when he sinned with Bathshebah (Psalm 51:11).


Only a few believers prior to the Church Age were endued with the Holy Spirit. They were given the power of the Holy Spirit to perform a special mission. The Enduement of the Holy Spirit was not permanent. It could be lost, as when David sinned with Bathshebah. David had to Rebound (renewal of the Holy Spirit in us...1 John 1:9) and pray to receive the Enduement back again.
The Enduement is different from the Filling of the Holy Spirit in the Church Age. In the Filling of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit empowers and controls the soul of the Church Age believer. The Filling of the Holy Spirit is available to all Church Age believers. It is given at the moment of Salvation. It is lost when the believer sins, and it is regained through Rebound (1 Jhon 1:9).

Who had the enduement of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament?

1. The writers of Old Testament canon.
a. The Torah. Moses had the enduement of the Spirit and the office of unique prophet in the Old Testament.

b. The Prophets (NAVI’IM) .These are the writers who had the office of prophet: Joshua, Samuel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the Twelve.

c. The Writings (KUTHIBIM). These writers had the gift of prophecy: the writers of the Psalms, Job, Proverbs, Ruth, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Lamentations, Esther, Daniel, Ezra, Nehemiah, Chronicles.

2. Joseph was endowed with the Holy Spirit for wisdom, leadership, and preservation of the Jewish patriarchs, Gen 41:38-40.

3. Moses and seventy elders of Israel were endowed with the Holy Spirit for leadership, Num 11:17,25.

4. Certain skills related to the worship of Israel received the enduement of the Spirit, Ex 28:5; 31:3, “and I have filled him with the power of the Spirit of God”; 35:30-35. Bezalel, the craftsman of the ark of the covenant and furniture in the tabernacle, was given the enduement of God the Holy Spirit. The power of the ordinary life became the power of the extraordinary life. The Holy Spirit was not available to every believer in Israel.

5. Certain judges received the enduement of the Spirit: Othniel, Jud 3:10; Gideon, Jud 6:34; Jephthah, Jud 11:29; Samson, Jud 13:25, 14:6, 15:14.

6. Saul was given the power of the Holy Spirit in 1 Sam 10:9-10, lost it in 1 Sam 16:14, and never recovered it.

7. David, in 1 Sam 16, was given the enduement power of the Holy Spirit.

8. Daniel had the endowment of power from the Holy Spirit, Dan 4:8, 5:11-14, 6:3.

9. Solomon, when positive to doctrine, was empowered by the Holy Spirit. At some point he lost the enduement power of the Holy Spirit, Prov 1:23.

Conclusion. Less than one percent of all believers in the Old Testament had any relationship with God the Holy Spirit.

 

[visionary]

Enoch walk with God and was not for God took him.

 

[Cliff2]

Enoch walk with God and was not for God took him.

That is what the Bible says.

This Forum is about the Sabbath, in fact

"Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)"

That is what we need to address.

What does the Bible say about it?

We must follow the Bible and the Bible only.

 

[Oblio]

We must follow the Bible and the Bible only.

Where does God say this ?
Or is it a tradition of men ?

 

[visionary]

Anything an unbeliever can do is not Christianity

???????

 

[oldsage]

Where does God say this ?
Or is it a tradition of men ?

Actually, most Protestants doesn't know the Traditional teaching of the Reformers. They think that 'sola scriptura' means we use nothing but the bible. But that isn't so, we also use Tradition, even if they don't see it. Their interpretation of the bible is based on their Traditions.

But the Reformers when stating they are 'sola scriptura' are only saying that the Bible is the final authority not the only authority. They use Tradition, Reason, and Experience also when forming doctrine. They just don't carry as much weight as the Scriptures.

Chris

 

[jochanaan]

People who had the Filling of the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament...........From my teachings...... Less than one percent of all believers in the Old Testament had any relationship with God the Holy Spirit.

Those are the ones recorded. But is it beyond possibility that others the Bible doesn't mention were also filled or empowered by the Spirit of God? Even John the Gospel writer confesses, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written." (John 21:25) What about the "other sheep" Jesus spoke of?

I have never heard that the Lord stopped filling humans with Himself as He did at Pentecost. Yet He doesn't change; so any "revelation" anybody receives now should be checked against the written Word.

(Of course it's very hard to get away from tradition! But the way I understand "sola scriptura" is that the Bible is the final authority. If our traditions are not against Scripture, or harmful, or do not bind the Holy Spirit too much, then I see no harm in them.)

 

[BrightCandle]

That is what the Bible says.

This Forum is about the Sabbath, in fact

"Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath? (2)"

That is what we need to address.

What does the Bible say about it?

We must follow the Bible and the Bible only.

This thread is going to become more relevant than ever come 05.07.06, when here in the USA there is going to be a Ten Commandments day celebration. Note, info below:

On May 7, 2006, a large coalition of Evangelical, Jewish, and Catholic leaders are planning to have the first annual Ten Commandments day celebration here in the USA. See below for a partial list of supporters and the reason that they chose May 7th for the day to have the event on. While I being a Seventh day Adventist wholeheartedly support exalting and celebrating the Ten Commandments, what I have a problem with is the fact that the vast majority of the religious leaders who are behind the celebration do not keep the the 4th Commandment as it is written in Exodus 20:8-11 (see below). But, regardless of that fact, they make the claim that “the Ten Commandments [were] for all mankind”, the majority of those religious leaders behind this celebration really only believe that nine commandments were given for “all mankind”, and that the Sabbath commandment was given only to the Jews, not to “all mankind”.


“3. The leadership of the Ten Commandments Commission felt strongly that it was important to establish a date for Ten Commandments Day that coincided with the historical time period when Moses met with God on Mount Sinai and received the Ten Commandments for all mankind. The first Sunday in May is an ideal date, occurring between the Jewish observances of Passover and Pentecost.”


http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/index.html?http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/news.html

Exodus 20:8-11 (ESV)


8Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

 

[oldsage]

This thread is going to become more relevant than ever come 05.07.06, when here in the USA there is going to be a Ten Commandments day celebration. Note, info below:

On May 7, 2006, a large coalition of Evangelical, Jewish, and Catholic leaders are planning to have the first annual Ten Commandments day celebration here in the USA. See below for a partial list of supporters and the reason that they chose May 7th for the day to have the event on. While I being a Seventh day Adventist wholeheartedly support exalting and celebrating the Ten Commandments, what I have a problem with is the fact that the vast majority of the religious leaders who are behind the celebration do not keep the the 4th Commandment as it is written in Exodus 20:8-11 (see below). But, regardless of that fact, they make the claim that “the Ten Commandments [were] for all mankind”, the majority of those religious leaders behind this celebration really only believe that nine commandments were given for “all mankind”, and that the Sabbath commandment was given only to the Jews, not to “all mankind”.


“3. The leadership of the Ten Commandments Commission felt strongly that it was important to establish a date for Ten Commandments Day that coincided with the historical time period when Moses met with God on Mount Sinai and received the Ten Commandments for all mankind. The first Sunday in May is an ideal date, occurring between the Jewish observances of Passover and Pentecost.”


http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/index.html?http%3A//www.tencommandmentsday.com/news.html

Exodus 20:8-11 (ESV)


8Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

First and foremost it is a good day to have, it gets people involved at least in the Moral laws and the Foundational laws that God gave us. I don't think the Ten Commandments Day should fall on the Sabbath nor on any other religious holyday, simply so it doesn't over shadow that day. Now maybe it can fall on Shavout, which is the traditional day of the giving of the Torah.

Chris

 

[BrightCandle]

First and foremost it is a good day to have, it gets people involved at least in the Moral laws and the Foundational laws that God gave us. I don't think the Ten Commandments Day should fall on the Sabbath nor on any other religious holyday, simply so it doesn't over shadow that day. Now maybe it can fall on Shavout, which is the traditional day of the giving of the Torah.

Chris

Yes, it is good to exhalt the Ten Commandments. But don't you think that the leaders of this celebration are being disengenuous by not really keeping the Ten Commandments as they are written?

 

[visionary]

Now maybe it can fall on Shavout, which is the traditional day of the giving of the Torah.

According to Jewish tradition, the Ten Commandments were given to Moses on Mount Sinai on Shavout. That is why this holiday is called "Zman Matan Toratenu" - the Time of the Giving of Our Law. Shavuot, which means the Festival of Weeks, and occurs seven weeks after Passover.

Penticost could take on a whole new meaning if the gentiles ever get the picture of the Holy Spirit and the Commandments together at the same time.

 

[linssue55]

This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created.
The old thread automatically closed is here: "Which Day of the Week is the Sabbath?"

EVERYDAY is the Sabbath......this is the church age. The sabbath of the old teatement was for the jews. We are to worship and LEARN of the Lord NOW everyday. For he gives us only one day at a time, and EACH of those day's we are to worship Him. EVERYDAY!!

 

[oldsage]

Yes, it is good to exhalt the Ten Commandments. But don't you think that the leaders of this celebration are being disengenuous by not really keeping the Ten Commandments as they are written?

Light shines on people in different ways, Many people are very genuine in their faith, even though they are wrong. Take the Catholics in general, from their worldview they see the Church as the guide in understanding what is required of them and they faithfully follow it. Most Protestants come from Catholicism so they have inherited some of the Catholic theology. The Protestant worldview over the centuries has gave them a different way of viewing the scriptures as to what you are suppose to do, their worldview prohibits them from seeing certain things in the light in which you see things. For both these groups of people it will take God to come down and open their minds to a different way of seeing things, changing their hermenutic so to speak.

Those who sincerely try to follow God with all their heart, mind and soul, will in time live up to the the light in which God has revealed to them and if convicted of the 4th commandment they will follow that too with joy and gladness, but until God does something, I say just pray and educate them. Not all of God's people will keep Sabbath, they have other obstacles which God is working with them on.

Now for those who have been shown the light on any subject and they decide to put a veil over it as to turn a blind eye to it, they are in danger of judgement because they have just made themselves their own god.

But I encourage this day to go forth and let the people hear the foundational law of God so people can see there is an absolute standard to how we are suppose to act.

Chris

 

[oldsage]

EVERYDAY is the Sabbath......this is the church age. The sabbath of the old teatement was for the jews. We are to worship and LEARN of the Lord NOW everyday. For he gives us only one day at a time, and EACH of those day's we are to worship Him. EVERYDAY!!

for one there isn't a scripture out there that says "everyday is the Sabbath" I wonder if you realize that Jews worshipped everyday also not just on Sabbath. The Jews worshipped and LEARNED of the Lord everyday also.

So, nothing NEW has happened in the so called "church age"
by the way, is "church age" found in the bible?
Now read the Sabbath commandment again and tell me if you are doing that EVERYDAY as you say the Sabbath falls now.

Chris

 

[BrightCandle]

Light shines on people in different ways, Many people are very genuine in their faith, even though they are wrong. Take the Catholics in general, from their worldview they see the Church as the guide in understanding what is required of them and they faithfully follow it. Most Protestants come from Catholicism so they have inherited some of the Catholic theology. The Protestant worldview over the centuries has gave them a different way of viewing the scriptures as to what you are suppose to do, their worldview prohibits them from seeing certain things in the light in which you see things. For both these groups of people it will take God to come down and open their minds to a different way of seeing things, changing their hermenutic so to speak.

Those who sincerely try to follow God with all their heart, mind and soul, will in time live up to the the light in which God has revealed to them and if convicted of the 4th commandment they will follow that too with joy and gladness, but until God does something, I say just pray and educate them. Not all of God's people will keep Sabbath, they have other obstacles which God is working with them on.

Now for those who have been shown the light on any subject and they decide to put a veil over it as to turn a blind eye to it, they are in danger of judgement because they have just made themselves their own god.

But I encourage this day to go forth and let the people hear the foundational law of God so people can see there is an absolute standard to how we are suppose to act.

Chris

Here is my point, the masses of the layity in most churches just take it for granted that their religious leaders are teaching them the truth, but what excuse do the pastors, priests, and theologians have for not keeping the 7th day Sabbath?

 

[Henry4]

I love you

 

[oldsage]

Here is my point, the masses of the layity in most churches just take it for granted that their religious leaders are teaching them the truth, but what excuse do the pastors, priests, and theologians have for not keeping the 7th day Sabbath?

As I said, even theologians have bias'. there is no escaping this fact, you have some I have some, when we all read the bible we read if with certain presuppositions already in place. For instance, you read when someone dies, they are dead in the grave until the resurrection, but when someone else reads the same thing, they see someone died and some immaterial part of them has gone somewhere else. You would say the teaching is obvious, but so would they.

You would say that the 'Law of Moses' is temporary and was nailed to the cross, I would say that it is still for us today.

The thing is, your hermenutic determines how you interpret. You need to change the way they interpret to get them to understand,

These theologians, pastors, elders and such really believe they are right, or else they would change. This is why I said it is up to God to show the light and it is up to them to not veil that light, but if God hasn't shown them yet, then just be patient and keep doing your job and educating them of what is right.

Chris

 

[Cliff2]

Here is my point, the masses of the layity in most churches just take it for granted that their religious leaders are teaching them the truth, but what excuse do the pastors, priests, and theologians have for not keeping the 7th day Sabbath?

None, absolutely none.