Which Covenant Did Jesus Teach? (essential sister thread of "significance 40" thread

[random person]

Which Covenant Did Jesus Teach?​

Randy Hagin







What do you think Jesus was teaching during his ministry? Was he teaching the fulfillment of the Old Covenant or was he teaching his New Covenant? If you say he was teaching the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, then Jesus was teaching within the boundaries of the Old Law. If you say Jesus was teaching the New Covenant, then he was teaching outside the Old Covenant and breaking the Old Law by teaching something different. Some will say: "it was his testament; he was testator so that gave him the freedom to make or break laws." This is inconsistent with Jesus keeping the law perfectly. So the question comes down to this; which covenant did Jesus teach?

Did he teach the fulfillment of the Old or a New Covenant? We must solve the question to rightly divide the word of God. Your answer to this question determines how you view all scripture. If you determine Jesus was teaching a New Covenant (which was different and alien to the Old Covenant) then your view of the Old Law has nothing to do with you. Therefore, I do not need to know it or understand it. The New Testament is all that I need. On the other hand, if you determine that Jesus taught the fulfillment of the Old Law. Then you understand that the Old Law plays an intricate part in the New Covenant, and the two are interleaved. Therefore, I must know the Old to understand the New Covenant.

Remember, Jesus was under the Old Testament law:


Galatians 4:4-5, "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law,"




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[Jerico Miles]

Which Covenant Did Jesus Teach?​

Randy Hagin

Which Covenant Did Jesus Teach? continued - click here

I see you're using that same website again.

I scrolled to the bottom of that site, low and behold look what it said.

Return to Preterism And Prophesy

Don't you ever get tire trying to mislead others?

 

[Straightshot]

Notice that the preterist even speaks of the the Lord in past tense language .... what "did" Jesus teach?

The Lord "does" teach .... present tense

Is the Lord some relic of the past to the preterist like all of the other things stuffed there by the same?

Most likely

 

[dfw69]

This is not eschatology...

Jesus preach the new covenant and fulfilled the old covenant ...

 

[random person]

This is not eschatology...

Jesus preach the new covenant and fulfilled the old covenant ...

The Last Trump - Destruction of the Temple (Hebrews 9:8-9)

The Dead Are Raised - From Sheol, Paradise, Abraham's bosom (John 3:13, 13:33,36; 14:2-3, remember the thief on the cross?)

And we shall all be changed - covenantally changed (Hebrews 8:13; 10:9)

Death is put under his feet - spiritual death

 

[Straightshot]

The Last Trump - Destruction of the Temple (Hebrews 9:8-9)

"The Dead Are Raised - From Sheol, Paradise, Abraham's bosom (John 3:13, 13:33,36; 14:2-3, remember the thief on the cross?)

And we shall all be changed - covenantally changed (Hebrews 8:13; 10:9)

Death is put under his feet - spiritual death"


This is one of the most twisted perversions of scripture on the street .... where do you get this junk random person?

.... or do you make it up as you go along?

 

[Bible2]

random person quoted Hagin in post 1:

We must solve the question to rightly divide the word of God.

In 2 Timothy 2:15b, "rightly dividing the word of truth" refers to how the Bible was originally written down in manuscripts which had no spaces between the words, no punctuation, and no distinguishing capitalization or non-capitalization. That is, it was just an unbroken stream of upper- or lower-case letters. So, for example, Genesis 1:6-7 would have looked like this: "andgodsaidlettherebeafirmamentinthemidstofthewatersandletitdividethewatersfromthewatersandgodmadethe firmamentanddividedthewaterswhichwereunderthefirmamentfromthewaterswhichwereabovethefirmamentanditwasso". This required those who studied the Bible (2 Timothy 2:15a) to rightly divide between the words in order to arrive at the correct meaning. So, in the above example, if one mistakenly divided "watersandletitdividethewaters" into the words "water: sand, let it divide the waters", one would come away with the mistaken idea that Genesis 1:6-7 refers to God creating sand bars, instead of him creating the atmosphere (the firmament, the 1st heaven, in which the birds fly: Genesis 1:20b) to hold water up in the air (such as in clouds), above and separate from the water in the ocean.

random person quoted Hagin in post 1:

Which Covenant Did Jesus Teach?

The Old Covenant was the covenant which God made with ancient Israel under Moses (Exodus 24:8, Deuteronomy 5:3), after Israel's Exodus from Egypt (Jeremiah 31:32). The New Covenant is a different, current covenant which God has made with Israel (Jeremiah 31:31) through Jesus Christ, since his first coming, in the 1st century AD (Hebrews 12:24, Matthew 26:28).

The Bible, in English translations, sometimes also calls the New Covenant the New Testament. For the same original Greek word "diatheke" (G1242) can be translated into English as either "covenant" (e.g. Hebrews 8:8) or "testament" (e.g. Hebrews 9:15). So when believers refer to the 2 main parts of the Bible as the Old Testament and the New Testament, what they are really referring to are the 2 parts of the Bible which focus (for the most part) on the Old Covenant and the New Covenant.

 

[random person]

The Last Trump - Destruction of the Temple (Hebrews 9:8-9)

"The Dead Are Raised - From Sheol, Paradise, Abraham's bosom (John 3:13, 13:33,36; 14:2-3, remember the thief on the cross?)

And we shall all be changed - covenantally changed (Hebrews 8:13; 10:9)

Death is put under his feet - spiritual death"


This is one of the most twisted perversions of scripture on the street .... where do you get this junk random person?

.... or do you make it up as you go along?

Read Hebrews 9:8, no one could enter the holiest of ALL (heaven) until the first tabernacle is destroyed.

The dead raised from Paradise, when the trump of God blows and when does the last trump blow, after the destruction of the Temple during the Destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70.

Why didn't Jesus say "today, I will see you in heaven or in the kingdom of God" to the thief on the cross? Instead he said Paradise which has two other names -- sheol and Abraham's bosom where the righteous dead and OT saints were held awaiting the innaugeration of New Covenant. When was the New Covenant officially innaugerated? Because Christ hadn't returned yet with the demise of the Old Covenant and its temple.

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

Hebrews 9:8

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

Hebrews 10:9

 

[Bible2]

random person said in post 8:

Read Hebrews 9:8, no one could enter the holiest of ALL (heaven) until the first tabernacle is destroyed.

Regarding Hebrews 9:8, the rending of the veil in Matthew 27:51 pictured the opening of the holiest place in heaven to Christians (Hebrews 10:19-22, Hebrews 9:24), by the abolishing of the letter of the Old Covenant Mosaic law's commandments (Ephesians 2:15-16, Colossians 2:14-17, Romans 7:6; 2 Corinthians 3:6-18, Hebrews 7:18-27, Hebrews 10:9b), and by the establishment of the New Covenant (Matthew 26:28), at the moment Jesus died on the Cross for our sins (Hebrews 9:15-17, Hebrews 10:19-20, Matthew 27:50-51).

The rending of the veil in Matthew 27:51 didn't mean God no longer dwelt in the 2nd temple (as in Matthew 23:21). That is why the church continued to worship God in the 2nd temple even after Jesus' death and physical resurrection (Luke 24:53, Acts 2:46, Acts 22:17).

random person said in post 8:

The dead raised from Paradise, when the trump of God blows and when does the last trump blow, after the destruction of the Temple during the Destruction of Jerusalem A.D. 70.

All obedient believers who died during Old Testament times are now part of the church in heaven (Hebrews 11:13-16, Hebrews 12:22-24). For now there are no believers outside of the church (Ephesians 4:4-6). And 1 Peter 4:6, 1 Peter 3:18c-19, and Ephesians 4:9 show that (decades before 70 AD) there was a post-resurrection descent of Jesus into Hades to preach the fulfillment of the gospel (of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) to the souls of the dead in Hades, after which preaching, Jesus ascended into heaven with all the souls of those in Hades who had died in faith (Ephesians 4:8-9, Hebrews 11:13-16, Hebrews 12:22-24).

And 1 Thessalonians 3:13 and 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 show that at Jesus' (never fulfilled) 2nd coming, the souls of all obedient dead believers of all times will be brought down from the 3rd heaven with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:14-15), and their souls will descend to the earth and their physical bodies will resurrect/rise from their graves (1 Thessalonians 4:16). Then they and all believers who will survive the future tribulation of Revelation chapters 6 to 18 and Matthew 24 on the earth (those who will still be "alive and remain") will be raptured up high into the air above the places all around the globe where they will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17a), and then they will be gathered together from the sky (the 1st heaven) all around the globe (Matthew 24:31; 2 Thessalonians 2:1) to the one place in the sky where the returned Jesus will be (1 Thessalonians 4:17b), which will be right above Jerusalem, before he sets his feet on the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14:4-5, Acts 1:11-12).

It is because of this 2nd-coming rapture into the sky, and then the gathering to where in the sky Jesus will be (and then the marriage of the obedient part of the church there to Jesus: Revelation 19:7-8, Matthew 25:1-12), that the obedient part of the church will already be with Jesus when he subsequently descends from the sky (the 1st heaven) to the earth (Revelation 19:14, Revelation 17:14, Zechariah 14:5c,4).

random person said in post 8:

Why didn't Jesus say "today, I will see you in heaven or in the kingdom of God" to the thief on the cross? Instead he said Paradise . . .

Jesus' soul didn't go down into hell when he died, but up into heaven, into the hands of God the Father (Luke 23:46). The same day he died, Jesus' soul went into paradise (Luke 23:43), which is in the 3rd heaven (2 Corinthians 12:2-4), and which is where the tree of life is (Revelation 2:7), in the literal city of New Jerusalem (Revelation 22:2), in heaven (Hebrews 12:22).

 

[mxyzpt1k]

What do you think Jesus was teaching during his ministry? Was he teaching the fulfillment of the Old Covenant or was he teaching his New Covenant? If you say he was teaching the fulfillment of the Old Covenant, then Jesus was teaching within the boundaries of the Old Law. If you say Jesus was teaching the New Covenant, then he was teaching outside the Old Covenant and breaking the Old Law by teaching something different.

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Old Covenant - Holy Ghost reigns over the Body of Believers (seen as the larger figure in the image), reaffirmed by Jesus, John 7:39

New Covenant - Holy Spirit reigns over the Body of Believers in the Churches (seen as the smaller dark figure near the belly of the giant), confirmed as the Day of Pentacost in which the Holy Spirit took the Churches, Acts 2:4

(The Old Covenant continues until the "3 Days of Darkness", in which the "Two Witnesses, Moses and Elijah" are slain. Then Moses as Joseph (larger figure), and Star Wormwood Reign (smaller figure)

(I was convinced the that humanity was ready for the next level, but after spending 3 to 4 hours walking around yesterday after dark, the level of force does not convince me that humanity is ready for the next level ... we will do this again soon, but not now, when I believe in terms of force you are ready for the next level, but I'm sure the Antichrist had made his whereabouts no secret so this could happen at any moment, assuming command, etc, etc, etc.)