Which comes first repentance or forgiveness?

New Testament Christian · Nov 25, 2021

Faithful777 said:
which are Spirit and life, when they did as Israel( without faith but seeking their own way) they have no faith then.....

The people such as Israel even today, do choose God( but in their own way, and it is that stubbornness and pride that they prevent themselves from knowing Christ, He says here come to Him ( but He is meek)

Christ says this to all..

Ok, if they choose God "in their own way"
That still does not explain to me, why you previously taught God Himself has not chosen all to believe and repent.

Let me ask you this, if I want to humble myself and believe in Jesus as God.
And I desire to repent so God will save me.

Does God give Faith and repentance to everyone who truly desires to know and obey God?

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

Any more questions or point you want to make ?

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

New Testament Christian said:
Ok, if they choose God "in their own way"
That still does not explain to me, why you previously taught God Himself has not chosen all to believe and repent.

Let me ask you this, if I want to humble myself and believe in Jesus as God.
And I desire to repent so God will save me.

Does God give Faith and repentance to everyone who truly desires to know and obey God?

God has chosen the meek as I said ( quoted) many times.

The pride prevents them humbling, they are in the pride and snare of the devil, so it is not easy as I already said too.

They desire not mercy as God desires, , God gives them their own desires and delusions

Isaiah 66:4 I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

You are not going to ask anything that has not already bee answered then.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

Hosea 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.
6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
7 But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luke 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

New Testament Christian · Nov 25, 2021

Faithful777 said:
You are not going to ask anything that has not already bee answered then.

Sir, please you only partly answered my question.

Please answer,

If I'm willing to completely give all my life to God.
To humble myself and have a true desire to know Him.

Will God always give Faith and repentance to those who are truly seeking Him?

Or does God only give Faith and repentance to a chosen few?

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

New Testament Christian said:
Sir, please you only partly answered my question.

Please answer,

You did not answer at all when asked, so I had to answer for you, but you answered very well then, thank you. Plus I answered you thoroughly with scriptures, they do answer all things for us.

New Testament Christian · Nov 25, 2021

Faithful777 said:
You did not answer at all when asked, so I had to answer for you, but you answered very well then, thank you. Plus I answered you thoroughly with scriptures, they do answer all things for us.

?

Will God save me if I truly want to be saved?
Or does God save only a select few he has already chosen?

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

New Testament Christian said:
Sir, please you only partly answered my question.

Please answer,

If I'm willing to completely give all my life to God.
To humble myself and have a true desire to know Him.

Will God always give Faith and repentance to those who are truly seeking Him?

Or does God only give Faith and repentance to a chosen few?

If a person was meek, they wont be in the snare and pride of the devil.

If they are in the snare and pride of the devil, they will be a deceiver, and are deceived.

The chosen few are meek, that is why we live in such a wicked world..

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

So it would be nice if everybody repented and became good, but unfortunately it is them that do not want to know Gods ways ( you did read any of the verses I posted?)

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

New Testament Christian said:
?

Will God save me if I truly want to be saved?
Or does God save only a select few he has already chosen?

They judged themselves unworthy of eternal life,true or not ?

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

If people were TRULY, ( desiring to be saved) they would have the Spirit of truth, that is Christ who is the WORD, men are liars..

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Psalm 116:11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

But of course all who do repent, and believe in Christ rising from the day will be saved.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

New Testament Christian · Nov 25, 2021

Faithful777 said:
If a person was meek, they wont be in the snare and pride of the devil.

If they are in the snare and pride of the devil, they will be a deceiver, and are deceived.

The chosen few are meek, that is why we live in such a wicked world..

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.

So it would be nice if everybody repented and became good, but unfortunately it is them that do not want to know Gods ways ( you did read any of the verses I posted?)

Yes I read them all.

Are you telling me, God will save a

Faithful777 said:
They judged themselves unworthy of eternal life,true or not ?

Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

If they judged themselves then you are saying it is our choice to obey and believe.
If you believe this then yes I agree with you.

But if you believe God only gives faith to some but not to others. Even if the others truly want to obey God. Then I do not fully agree.

God will not save those who refuse to become Gods obedient servant.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

So I am not for Calvinism, nor any religion ( just the bible always for me entirely and never a word outside ever)

I am not in the way of anyone repenting, but they are to themselves.

I also will wait for judgement day to be judged, whether good or bad.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

New Testament Christian said:
Yes I read them all.

Are you telling me, God will save a

If they judged themselves then you are saying it is our choice to obey and believe.
If you believe this then yes I agree with you.

But if you believe God only gives faith to some but not to others. Even if the others truly want to obey God. Then I do not fully agree.

God will not save those who refuse to become Gods obedient servant.

Nobody refuses what they believe in, if we believe in this world we don't refuse it, if we believe in Heaven we don't refuse that.

Also the final judgement reveals the hearts of men, including yours and mine.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

All also is a mystery, that is why there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, many will get a bad outcome, and I don't know if it is me or not, I just hope not, so I hope good for others the same, but its not in my hands for myself or for them.

Faithful777 · Nov 25, 2021

I strongly oppose Calvinism, it seems a bit selfish, we should be equal, I think that is what I am learning more, as life humbles me more.

But the verses do tell what prevents this world of people, and I have no doubts in me at all.

New Testament Christian · Nov 25, 2021

Faithful777 said:
But of course all who do repent, and believe in Christ rising from the day will be saved.

THANKYOU!
Yes, it is our choice to believe in Jesus.
Calvinism teaches God chooses who will believe and who will not believe.

We have no choice in the matter.

Did you know some will be lost even though they believe Jesus raised from the dead.

Here's the evidence,
John 12:42-43
Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;

For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

These Jews knew their Messiah was Jesus. They knew He raised from the dead.

But because they loved their positions of power more than God, they loved men more than God.

Their faith in Jesus could not save them.

God requires more than faith alone to save us.

New Testament Christian · Nov 25, 2021

Faithful777 said:
All also is a mystery, that is why there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, many will get a bad outcome, and I don't know if it is me or not, I just hope not, so I hope good for others the same, but its not in my hands for myself or for them.

Are you saying you don't know if your saved?

Which comes first repentance or forgiveness?

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