Where's the Protests? Koch Brothers Buy Their Way Into a Speaking Gig at Catholic University

[elliott95]

Ducking my question again .

I am unable to give in my own words what Socialism is .

Then you can neither agree nor disagree with the one that I provided.
We can go with the one that Nietzche has given us, for further discussion, or there is nothing left to discuss, since you have no definition of socialism yourself.

 

[Fantine]

Worker safety and industrial pollution are different things.

 

[elliott95]

Worker safety and industrial pollution are different things.

The interview showed Mr Koch talking about how he changed the worker safety of Georgia paper company, which is a good thing.

Now when it comes to paper in general, it is an industry that pollutes a lot. Much of Koch investments, in refining, in chemicals in general, in transportation, are high environmental impact.

What I noticed about my own parish though, is just how much paper products we use. Missals every year, dozens of singing books, paper plates and paper cups for events, paper for schools, craft paper for day care, weekly newsletters and bulletins, Catholic newspapers.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. There is nothing evil about wanting to get homeless off the streets with a hot cup of coffee in a paper cup, etc. etc.
But we are all complicit in the paper business, just like in all aspects of modern life.
Bidets are nice for sure, but failing that, paper is practical, and paper is a business that pollutes a lot.
There is a social and environmental cost to a world with paper. There is also a cost to a world without paper, a cost-beneifit analysis scenario.
As far as environmental costs, socialist economies have been much worse.
The Koch's acquired Georgia Pacific in 2005, as far as I know. Paper plants were polluting even back then.
We are all in this together. It is not just the Kochs that are profiting from paper.

 

[Fantine]

Read their manifestos and their goals-----all of them against the common good. Do you think they have unions?

But obviously I won't convince you of that if you share their values--or lack thereof.

Btw, pollution can be minimized and controlled--if the business owners have values.

Oops, guess that won't work in their plants.

 

[elliott95]

A state, is called the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly lieth it also; and this lie creepeth from its mouth: "I, the state, am the people."
It is a lie! Creators were they who created peoples, and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life.
Destroyers, are they who lay snares for many, and call it the state: they hang a sword and a hundred cravings over them.
Where there is still a people, there the state is not understood, but hated as the evil eye, and as sin against laws and customs.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Nietzsche on socialism and the principle of equality

Socialism ― or the tyranny of the meanest and the most brainless, ―that is to say, the superficial, the envious, and the mummers, brought to its zenith, ―is, as a matter of fact, the logical conclusion of “modern ideas” and their latent anarchy: but in the genial atmosphere of democratic well-being the capacity for forming resolutions or even for coming to an end at all, is paralysed. Men follow―but no longer their reason. That is why socialism is on the whole a hopelessly bitter affair: and there is nothing more amusing than to observe the discord between the poisonous and desperate faces of present-day socialists―and what wretched and nonsensical feelings does not their style reveal to us! ―and the childish lamblike happiness of their hopes and desires

 

[Fantine]

We disagree. Shall I ask the mods to close this thread, or should we part amicably?