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Wherefore if you are dead with Christ from the "rudiments" of the world...

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We are dead with Christ from the “rudiments” of the world. You have to go to the Greek word and not other Bible translations to see what the true meaning of it is.

Col 2:20-22 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The transliterated Greek word for “rudiments” is “stoicheion” - Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.

The base word of it is:

“stoicheō” - From a derivative of στείχω steichō̄ (to range in regular line); to march in (military) rank (keep step), that is, (figuratively) to conform to virtue and piety: - walk (orderly).

The “rudiments of the world” are the “orderly arrangements” of the world’s governmental documents (such as a “constitution”) by which they self-govern and self-judge themselves with.

They conform to their documents…like keeping in step with it (such as marching in a military rank order) Their governmental documents are their orderly arrangements of fundamental principles of which they keep and serve.

Look at what the word “constitution” means – “a body of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is acknowledged to be governed.”

Why would a “church” have a handwritten document such as a church “constitution” to organize and self-govern themselves with when our God is our Ruler and His commandments are “written” in our inward parts?

Why be subject to church “ordinances”….dogmas arranged in order for you to keep and serve?

These church documents are elevated in their gatherings. They are highly regarded and men rule over others based on their handwritings of ordinances.

Indeed, these things are the devices of Satan used to deceive us and bring us into the bondage of sin. Men use these handwritings to judge others with ….thereby becoming slaves of the sin. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood….but against the so-called authoritative, highly regarded (among men) church handwritings of ordinances which are a device of Satan used to deceive us.

Eph 6:12 KJV
(12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
 

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We are dead with Christ from the “rudiments” of the world. You have to go to the Greek word and not other Bible translations to see what the true meaning of it is.

Col 2:20-22 KJV
(20) Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
(21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

(22) Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The transliterated Greek word for “rudiments” is “stoicheion” - Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4748; something orderly in arrangement, that is, (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively): - element, principle, rudiment.

The base word of it is:

“stoicheō” - From a derivative of στείχω steichō̄ (to range in regular line); to march in (military) rank (keep step), that is, (figuratively) to conform to virtue and piety: - walk (orderly).

The “rudiments of the world” are the “orderly arrangements” of the world’s governmental documents (such as a “constitution”) by which they self-govern and self-judge themselves with.

They conform to their documents…like keeping in step with it (such as marching in a military rank order) Their governmental documents are their orderly arrangements of fundamental principles of which they keep and serve.

Look at what the word “constitution” means – “a body of fundamental principles or established precedents according to which a state or other organization is acknowledged to be governed.”

Why would a “church” have a handwritten document such as a church “constitution” to organize and self-govern themselves with when our God is our Ruler and His commandments are “written” in our inward parts?

Why be subject to church “ordinances”….dogmas arranged in order for you to keep and serve?

These church documents are elevated in their gatherings. They are highly regarded and men rule over others based on their handwritings of ordinances.

Indeed, these things are the devices of Satan used to deceive us and bring us into the bondage of sin. Men use these handwritings to judge others with ….thereby becoming slaves of the sin. We do not wrestle against flesh and blood….but against the so-called authoritative, highly regarded (among men) church handwritings of ordinances which are a device of Satan used to deceive us.

Eph 6:12 KJV
(12) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
This activity of writing down dogmas, etc. reminds me of the Druids - the spiritual continuance of the patriarchal worldview and practice of Abraham, Melchizedek, Noah. They did not write anything down but memorized what they knew. It took 30 years to become a fully-vested Druid. Few would remain in the university today for a 30 year PhD!
 
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