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Our songs are not really "ours" -- I mean songs originally by Charles Wesley and other songs in the Methodist Hymnals -- these hymns belong to all Christians -- Protestant, Catholic, and Orthodox, last night I browsed thru a hymnal of the Brethren Church -- very many songs the same
as far as ritual and liturgy sharing many elements, yes, Catholicism is an option if Methodists split, since much liturgy came from Church of England as has been said -- so is Orthodoxy an option (my son is now) and only thing different in hymns there is 'no instruments'...
but once you get Methodists singing to hymns they know -- a piano is not essential -- but me personally I like guitars pianos drums trumpets -- everthang
And that women are not allowed to be priests. Change that and end the Marian devotion and I might consider.There is a lot of carryover from Orthodoxy/Catholicism into the Methodist rituals due to the Church of England. That said, you might not get a lot of buy-in from evangelical Methodists for Marian devotion, or the fact that some (like me) are divorced and remarried and could not commune in the RC church.
I'll say it again. When I was UMC, folks going elsewhere largely ended up in non-denoms. If I were a betting man, I think non-denoms will be the single biggest winner in a UMC schism.
About every little town with at least one 4-way stop sign has a Methodist Church and some flavor of non-denom. If they are a big enough for a stoplight, then you can add a Baptist church to that. Geography is the major problem with saying other church types will benefit most, IMHO, not theology.
I'll say it again. When I was UMC, folks going elsewhere largely ended up in non-denoms. If I were a betting man, I think non-denoms will be the single biggest winner in a UMC schism.
About every little town with at least one 4-way stop sign has a Methodist Church and some flavor of non-denom. If they are a big enough for a stoplight, then you can add a Baptist church to that. Geography is the major problem with saying other church types will benefit most, IMHO, not theology.
I still recall that famous admonition from John Wesley, "If the Methodists leave the Church (Church of England), God will leave the Methodists."Your songs from Charles Wesley, are actually OURS. The Wesley's were Anglicans. And, you're welcome.
Yes, there is the Church of the Nazarene, the Free Methodists, the Primitive Methodists and the Wesleyan Church. However, many smaller communities would not have any of these four Wesleyan bodies.
There are more United Methodist churches in the United States than there are Nazarene churches in the entire world. While they may be ideologically similar, I contend that many communities will not have a Nazarene church present to absorb an exodus from said community's UMC. So many such Methodists would have to either be a new Nazarene church start or find somewhere else to worship. I think it is more likely that non-denoms will capture more affected UMCs than any one established denomination...for they are everywhere.
The UMC megachurch here in town completed disaffiliation proceedings over the past summer, so that resulted in a couple of thousand former Methodists that are now non-denominational and leaning toward charismatic.
Why would they lean charismatic? I mean I know there is a quite small charismatic wing in the UMC. But, why would this megachurch lean charismatic? It really isn't an emphasis in the UMC.
This church, for the 25 years leading up to the separation, was pretty much Methodist in name only to be honest. The fact that they were the district's cash cow didn't hurt any, and the bishop and DS gave the senior pastor (who was there for all of that quarter century) a quite long leash to do whatever he wanted.
The senior pastor of the church in question has had a, shall we say, wide-ranging theological journey thanks to his father. His dad was a Southern Baptist pastor who was ousted for embracing speaking in tongues, etc. in the 70s. After his ouster, he joined forces with an evangelistic ministry to eastern Europe. Somewhere in there, he felt the Lord telling him to "return home", namely the Methodist Church where he was raised. (Obviously the Lord has since told him to leave "home" again...)
The son followed him through that journey and wound up in Methodism, neck deep in that "quite small charismatic wing". The main presenting issue in the split wasn't LGBT rights (though they are against ordaining or marrying the same-sex attracted), but pastoral succession. The pastor wanted the rights to name who his successor would be, as well as keeping his present staff.
I'll say it again. When I was UMC, folks going elsewhere largely ended up in non-denoms. If I were a betting man, I think non-denoms will be the single biggest winner in a UMC schism.
About every little town with at least one 4-way stop sign has a Methodist Church and some flavor of non-denom. If they are a big enough for a stoplight, then you can add a Baptist church to that. Geography is the major problem with saying other church types will benefit most, IMHO, not theology.
I still recall that famous admonition from John Wesley, "If the Methodists leave the Church (Church of England), God will leave the Methodists."
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