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Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

IcyChain

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I respect your viewpoint on that but I don't interpret Sacred Scripture such that the ten commandments are binding on Christians as a legalistic code to be rigidly applied. I interpret Sacred Scripture such that the moral precepts of the ten commandments are binding on Christians, but the law is not to be applied as a strict legalistic code as it was in the Old Testament. The specific day is a more of a ceremonial aspect of the commandment in my view, and the moral precept is that we have a duty to set aside a set time to give God the proper worship that he is worthy of. And I interpret Scripture and Sacred Tradition such that the apostles had the authority to move the particular day of worship, and that they did change it.
 
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I wouldn't accuse people of not obeying God over Sabbath. If anything urge them to enter his real Sabbath rest, not that Saturday Sabbath.
 
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Give me a specific verse in the New Testament you may have in mind. I do not know on what ground to stand to give you an answer.

Until then, I will just repeat what I said before - it depends on the individual situation and conscience. If you think something (or not doing something) is a sin, it is a sin for you.

Not everything that is useful is a formal obligation. Not everything that is good is a commandment.
 
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along with that there's also the book of Acts which records the gathering for the Eucharist on Sunday, "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread.."

In Troas, we see that the specific church the Luke and Paul were in, gathered on Sunday. However, we do not know if those in Troas gathered only on Sundays, if it was regular or just because Paul arrived.

The church in Jerusalem was gathering every day.

I think Christians have freedom to organize gatherings as is suitable for their needs.
 
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I see we like to quote Greek. As was said and is nowhere in that clause in is..

τὸν The
νόμον Law
τῶν of the
ἐντολῶν Commandments
ἐν In
δόγμασιν Decrees
καταργήσας Having Annulled,
 
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Translation is more than just lexicologial mapping of words. It depends on the context, sentence structure and other things.

If you are multilingual, you know.
 
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I would tend to agree for the most part.
The Eucharist is the central act of worship in many (most?) of the traditional Christian Churches. There was no command that it be done on a specific day, only that it is done and with the understanding it will be often. "..Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way he took the cup also, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes."
The Church, from the time of the Apostles, has celebrated the Eucharist on the First Day of the week, that being the Lord's Day, the Day of the Resurrection. Not only is there reference in Scripture it's also dotted throughout the early Church writings, as specifically mentioned earlier in the Didiche as an example. This does not mean the Saturday Sabbath was abolished or changed. The Ancient Church still considers the Sabbath to be a Holy Day, the day God rested from the work of Creation, the Day the Lord rested in the tomb after the Crucifixion. The souls of the departed are remembered regularly on the Sabbath. However, Liturgies and the Eucharist can and are often on any/every day of the week with a regular gathering on the first day of the week.
 
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This is too tradition focused for my taste. But from the biblical perspective:

a) some churches were gathering together every day
b) some churches were gathering (at least) on Sundays, Sunday being explicitly mentioned
c) Paul says that we have a freedom to keep a day special or consider none special

No church was mentioned to gather specifically or only on Saturdays/Jewish Sabbath, though. So gathering only on Saturdays and teaching it must be on this day, is the least biblical. Or, better said, not biblical at all.
 
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This is too tradition focused for my taste. But from the biblical perspective:
That's fair enough.
Personally, I don't adhere to a philosophy that requires everything between the last entry of Holy writ until the day a Bible landed in my hands to be immaterial. The Church was active from the day of Pentecost to this day. I see no reason to dismiss thousands of years of history, ymmv and I'm not trying to change anyone's one's mind about it.
true enough
 
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Translation is more than just lexicologial mapping of words. It depends on the context, sentence structure and other things.

If you are multilingual, you know.
You know that in is not and don't care that those translations lie and state otherwise?
 
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You know that in is not and don't care that those translations lie and state otherwise?
They lie because you cannot find it in a lexicon, not knowing Greek language as well as they do?

Do you speak a language that is not your native?
 
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along with that there's also the book of Acts which records the gathering for the Eucharist on Sunday, "On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread.."
Hmmmm.

1Corinthians 16: 1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.

Where does this text say the people gathered to worship on the first day of the week? That's a complete twisting of the context and the wording. Paul said to set aside whatever the person was going to give to the church of Galatia on the first day of the week so there would be no gathering of the church when he arrived. There's not even a hint of worshiping on the first day of the week.
 
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So to murder someone or lie to them is an option as you don't want to apply that moral code strictly. In other words the 10 are nothing more than suggestions by God.
 
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So to murder someone or lie to them is an option as you don't want to apply that moral code strictly. In other words the 10 are nothing more than suggestions by God.
Those apply strictly, without the 10. The Ten commandments were part of the Mosaic Law and this has ended with Christ.

However, eternal moral principles like the respect for life and for truth are still binding. Before the Mosaic Law, in the Mosaic Law, after the Mosaic Law.
 
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Hmmmm.

1Corinthians 16: 1..
Where does this text say..That's a complete twisting of the context and the wording.
I don't recall using that text, that's on you.

Since you brought it up, I'm curious; your profile says you are SDA. Does your church take a collection? If so, what day of the week is it taken?
 
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So to murder someone or lie to them is an option as you don't want to apply that moral code strictly. In other words the 10 are nothing more than suggestions by God.
Myst33 above more or less explained that for you.
 
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Yeah that is where I agree with you. Christians are not strictly under the Mosaic law, but there are aspects of the Mosaic law that overlap with the law of Christ.
 
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Your not wrong with your understanding I was where your at not long ago.
The good news is that your spirit is alive and hungry and your on the correct and narrow path.
Your looking for responses to validate and there won't be many if any at all that will respond to do so.
1) as you have diligently hunted to find is where does it show to do so and where does it say we aren't supposed to?
We go thru the son to get to the father. We look to Jesus and The Most High to understand what the requirements are. We always look to them, always!
Jesus kept the Sabbath. Why would he do so if he planned to do away with it. You can figure it out in his travels etc.
And you should do so you are keeping the Sabbath on the correct days and times.
We always check to see what God has already decreed and we check to his Son. NOBODY ELSE!!!
Anyways, use this to satisfy your valid:

Matt 5:19
Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Always confirm anything anyone hands to you.
No Matter What.
Don't waste your energy trying to sway people with what you will learn.
All we are supposed to do is say what we learn to people, not convince them. We share the Jews and keep moving on the Vine.
Less than 05.-1% Remember and Keep The Sabbath Holy on the correct day and time.
That is avg census last updated 2018. I'm sure it is lower yet.
This is the 1st step
There are many revelations that may be difficult to grasp. Truths that will be difficult to digest if you get to them.
Peace be with you and your journey.
 
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