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God's mouth decreed it and his apostles affirmed it by the Spirit Of God. Its God's word. Are we hearing and obeying his word and commands?
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Where do you get the idea the 10 commandments came from Moses? Scripture says they came directly from God.Have we entered His rest? If so then why are we pushing Moses law? That was a heavy burden. Can we not see this in scripture? Does this prove that we have not yet entered his rest? Jesus is where we find our rest. Only in him alone.
Acts 15 And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
The Jerusalem Council
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, [a]acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’
18 [e]“Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from [f]sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
The Jerusalem Decree
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas,[g] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, [h]saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual[j] immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.
I did not copy or paste, though I have used some of the same arguments elsewhere, thank you.Well this is quite long. Did you cut and paste some of that or is it all an original creation? Either way it was commendable. Keep up the good work.
God's law teaches us about the nature of who He is, so saying that God's law can change is denying that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, which is why God prohibited adding to or subtracting from His law (Deuteronomy 4:2). Moreover, you deciding what is or is not subject to change seems arbitrary to me. So if the Apostles said that we are free to eat something that God commanded not to eat, and when God has instructed not to listen to anyone who speaks against obeying what He has commanded, then should we obey God or the Apostles? I think that you are referencing Acts 15, though the members of the Jerusalem Council were all servants of God, so I do not think that chapter should be interpreted as speaking against obeying anything that God has commanded.To answer your question, I would not say that Peter had authority to change God’s commandment against murder, nor would the Holy Spirit allow him to do so. That is an immutable moral principle that is not subject to change.
But the apostles can change things like what someone is allowed to eat. I don’t remember the exact situation off the top of my head but there was something like that with that small council that they had in the book of Acts. I view the particular day of the week (Saturday versus Sunday) as more comparable to that than murder.
Go read my thread Is sinning necessary. You'll find it isn't. John says:What is this saying? Are we obeying every word that comes from God's mouth? Do we actually obey all his commands?
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’
It depends on who you mean by Apostle. The word/title Apostle was obtained by Disciples who walked and worked with Jesus. You know, the real ones He Selected?? There were around 70 other Disciples that was with The Way that knew and was around the Master and dont have it.God's mouth decreed it and his apostles affirmed it by the Spirit Of God. Its God's word. Are we hearing and obeying his word and commands?
Are you a cessationist?It depends on who you mean by Apostle. The word/title Apostle was obtained by Disciples who walked and worked with Jesus. You know, the real ones He Selected?? There were around 70 other Disciples that was with The Way that knew and was around the Master and dont have it.
Its a time sensitive achievement.
If we say we have no sin then we lie. If we sin then its because we haven't abided in him. Scripture says if we have fellowship with one another we fellowship with the Lord. If we do this then we are cleansed of our sin. This is what scripture says and it can't be broken. But our we we truly abiding in him?Go read my thread Is sinning necessary. You'll find it isn't. John says:
1John 3: 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
I did not copy or paste, though I have used some of the same arguments elsewhere, thank you.
God's law teaches us about the nature of who He is, so saying that God's law can change is denying that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, which is why God prohibited adding to or subtracting from His law (Deuteronomy 4:2). Moreover, you deciding what is or is not subject to change seems arbitrary to me. So if the Apostles said that we are free to eat something that God commanded not to eat, and when God has instructed not to listen to anyone who speaks against obeying what He has commanded, then should we obey God or the Apostles? I think that you are referencing Acts 15, though the members of the Jerusalem Council were all servants of God, so I do not think that chapter should be interpreted as speaking against obeying anything that God has commanded. Copied and Pasted by Soyeong 11/25/23
Agreed, gonna get up and stretch a bit. Just been a while since I got a break.You are 45 years old. What about participating in some more productive way?
I have never said what you think I have. I fully believe the text you're in essence quoting. Study the thread. It's all scripture. If I never sinned from this day forward would I still need the righteousness of Christ, i.e. justification? Absolutely. I am saying nothing that isn't scriptural. I use a lot of NT and OT scripture.If we say we have no sin then we lie. If we sin then its because we haven't abided in him. Scripture says if we have fellowship with one another we fellowship with the Lord. If we do this then we are cleansed of our sin. This is what scripture says and it can't be broken. But our we we truly abiding in him?
What I know and don’t is not relevant here since it just words on a screen. But No they lie because it isn’t a good translation and they know better if they are educated. Have you looked it up yourself. In is not and no matter how why tries, regardless of any perceived context.They lie because you cannot find it in a lexicon, not knowing Greek language as well as they do?
Do you speak a language that is not your native?
I never accused anyone brother.I have never said what you think I have. I fully believe the text you're in essence quoting. Study the thread. It's all scripture. If I never sinned from this day forward would I still need the righteousness of Christ, i.e. justification? Absolutely. I am saying nothing that isn't scriptural. I use a lot of NT and OT scripture.
My brother, the scriptures i posted come from Gods own mouth. We cannot fight against God.Where do you get the idea the 10 commandments came from Moses? Scripture says they came directly from God.
Exodus 20: 1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.*n1
Exodus 31: 18 ¶And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
I follow the apostles and speak their words. I have posted them here. I abide in the Lord and his word.It depends on who you mean by Apostle. The word/title Apostle was obtained by Disciples who walked and worked with Jesus. You know, the real ones He Selected?? There were around 70 other Disciples that was with The Way that knew and was around the Master and dont have it.
Its a time sensitive achievement.
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