Where two or three are gathered.

[jimmyjimmy]

"Where two or three are gathered. . ."

One of the top 10 misunderstood texts of all time.

 

[Buckeyefor Jesus]

I agree. Thank you.

I think we are all lead-it depends on other disturbances and focusing and praying for thoughts and understanding.

 

[W2L]

We do not gather online. We chat. We send 'letters'. We talk past one another. So no, there is no promise in the holy scriptures that Jesus will be in the midst of us when we text.

So is there any evidence that God hears our prayers online? After all, we just chat here as you said. People have testified that they have experienced the Spirit while online. Isn't that proof enough?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

The context:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.​

 

[W2L]

The context:

If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedf in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.​

We have already covered that. Thank you. Please dont hijack my thread.

 

[GingerBeer]

So is there any evidence that God hears our prayers online? After all, we just chat here as you said.

Do you pray alone at home? If the answer is "yes" then why would you doubt that your prayers are heard? The same goes for prayers while texting when you are alone. It would be similar to "But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you." (Matt 6:6)

 

[W2L]

Do you pray alone at home? If the answer is "yes" then why would you doubt that your prayers are heard? The same goes for prayers while texting when you are alone. It would be similar to "But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you." (Matt 6:6)

We are taught to pray for each other, and naturally we are talking to God who hears us if we are in Christ. So if we are talking to God we are having communion with His Spirit who never leaves us. If we pray together online, and share the Word online, then surely that means the Lord is with us.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

We have already covered that. Thank you. Please dont hijack my thread.

You obviously haven't read the context, or you would not have started the thread. Church discipline is the context. You wish to twist the words to make them condone your forsaking of gathering with the brethren, which we ARE commanded to do.

 

[GingerBeer]

If we pray together online, and share the Word online, then surely that means the Lord is with us.

Reading what another person writes is not the same as being with the other person. I read your post but my reading is a few minutes after you wrote it. It is like seeing a post-it-note on the fridge and responding to it with another post-it-note. I can pray for something written in the note but I am not gathered together with the person who wrote the note. The idea is not the same as what Jesus said about two or more gathering in his name.

 

[W2L]

You obviously haven't read the context, or you would not have started the thread. Church discipline is the context.

Ok, maybe i'll start a new thread.

 

[W2L]

Reading what another person writes is not the same as being with the other person. I read your post but my reading is a few minutes after you wrote it. It is like seeing a post-it-note on the fridge and responding to it with another post-it-note. I can pray for something written in the note but I am not gathered together with the person who wrote the note. The idea is not the same as what Jesus said about two or more gathering in his name.

Ok thank you.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

So you're saying that the Lord is not with us here?

I'm saying, if you take verses out of context in an attempt to make them say what you want, you are only fooling and hurting yourself.

 

[W2L]

Ok, i edited the Op. Please go back and answer the question.

 

[W2L]

I'm saying, if you take verses out of context in an attempt to make them say what you want, you are only fooling and hurting yourself.

i edited the Op. Please go back and answer the question.

 

[W2L]

You were so talkative. What happened?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

"Is God among us as we gather online?"

How are you defining, "among us" and "gather"?

 

[Edo2]

Yes I think he is. To many times I have seen and experienced otherwise.

Last year my father in law was in an ER. My mother in and my nephew had left went home and began to pray. My father in law began to pray as well and then heard his wife's and grandsons voices as they prayed. It was clear enough and loud enough that he thought they were still in hall. A few minutes later my father in law called his wife and wanted to know why they were still there. That's when she informed him they were at home. He told her the words he heard and it was the words she prayed.

I've felt his presence in a text or even in video teaching. I've experienced having a family member prayed for from people in different countries and see that prayer get answered. Only way those people knew about the situation was an email.

So yes I do believe that if 2 or 3 come together online and in faith for one common purpose he will be there.

I don't believe we have to be in each others physical presence for it to happen. I won't put that restriction on him.

 

[W2L]

"Is God among us as we gather online?"

How are you defining, "among us" and "gather"?

The words are self explanatory. Please dont argue semantics.

 

[W2L]

Yes I think he is. To many times I have seen and experienced otherwise.

Last year my father in law was in an ER. My mother in and my nephew had left went home and began to pray. My father in law began to pray as well and then heard his wife's and grandsons voices as they prayed. It was clear enough and loud enough that he thought they were still in hall. A few minutes later my father in law called his wife and wanted to know why they were still there. That's when she informed him they were at home. He told her the words he heard and it was the words she prayed.

I've felt his presence in a text or even in video teaching. I've experienced having a family member prayed for from people in different countries and see that prayer get answered. Only way those people knew about the situation was an email.

So yes I do believe that if 2 or 3 come together online and in faith for one common purpose he will be there.

I don't believe we have to be in each others physical presence for it to happen. I won't put that restriction on him.

Thank you.

 

[Hammster]

"Where two or three are gathered. . ."

One of the top 10 misunderstood texts of all time.

Jeremiah 29:11. Etc.